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From: Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: pertusus@free.fr, jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org,
	stefankangas@gmail.com, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org
Subject: Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 20:37:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZaBRnNJ/A/wYMJqf@beigestar> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83v87zk57y.fsf@gnu.org>

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 10:03:29PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123@gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:46:30 +0000
> > Cc: pertusus@free.fr, jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org,
> > 	stefankangas@gmail.com, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
> > 	rms@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org
> > 
> > > > Although it's not ideal, using cross-reference labels may be the best
> > > > solution.  It would be a temporary solution if the targetted manual
> > > > obtained an English translation later.  Once that is the case, the
> > > > first manual could be updated with the translated node name, so
> > > > "*note Choisir Tampon:(emacs)Select Buffer." becomes
> > > > "*note (emacs)Choisir Tampon::", eliminating the English.
> > > 
> > > You mean, the Info reader should do that?  It would mean that the Info
> > > reader will need to access all its cross-manual links in a node before
> > > it can display the node with or without the English node names.
> > 
> > I meant that the maintainers of the translated document would update it.
> 
> That'd mean whenever a new translated manual is released, the
> translators will need to update all the manuals that cross-reference
> to the newly-released one, and users will then need to update their
> manuals.  Should be possible, of course, but quite a hassle, IMO.

Well, they wouldn't *need* to update the manuals.  The links to the
English node names would still work as long as the translated manual
has the @anchor commands with those node names.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-11 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-27 21:14 Where to contribute manual translations ? Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28  7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 11:41   ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28 13:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 14:01       ` Po Lu
2023-12-28 15:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29  0:42           ` Po Lu
2023-12-29  6:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 15:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 16:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 17:04           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 17:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 19:43               ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29  2:05               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29  6:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29  9:02                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29 10:18                     ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29 11:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29 12:42                       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-30  3:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30  7:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02  3:17                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-02  3:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:12                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03 12:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-30  3:22         ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30  7:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01  0:27             ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01  7:57               ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 12:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 12:56                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 16:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:11                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:35                         ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:16                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:51                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:38                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 13:30                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-03 13:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 23:14                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04  6:34                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  6:58                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04  7:59                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04  8:26                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  9:10                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 10:04                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 12:53                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  4:35                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-06  5:40                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  8:38                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 11:52                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:18                                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:26                                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  4:36                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-04  7:18                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  0:04                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  1:17                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08  3:44                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08  6:13                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08  3:44                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08  6:13                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-09  2:49                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-09  3:08                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-10  4:24                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-10  4:56                                                             ` free services (was: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Emanuel Berg
2024-01-13  3:51                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-11 21:50                                                           ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-05  7:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 11:34                                             ` Translation of the Org mode manual (was: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-04 12:19                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-02-07  3:12                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-07 23:10                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-02-09  3:51                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-05  4:23                                             ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Richard Stallman
2024-01-02 13:25                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:27                           ` Translation of manuals Po Lu
2024-01-03  4:50                             ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:28                               ` Po Lu
2024-01-04  4:46                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04  6:13                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  0:35                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  8:20                                       ` Infrastructure proposal (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 13:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 14:07                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 14:30                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  6:36                                   ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Po Lu
2024-01-05  0:34                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  2:29                                       ` Po Lu
2024-01-07  6:56                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-07  7:37                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05  2:36                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  7:11                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-05 12:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 15:20                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 15:53                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 16:10                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 16:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  4:40                                               ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  8:36                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  9:37                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 11:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 12:25                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:05                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:49                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:04                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 14:16                                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:31                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:41                                                             ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:26                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:31                                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07  5:38                                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07  7:32                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:33                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 12:00                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 19:27                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-10 20:52                                                     ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11  6:09                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 12:48                                                         ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 13:04                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:42                                                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-11 19:14                                                             ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 19:57                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:49                                                         ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 15:08                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 15:56                                                             ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 16:09                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:22                                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 19:26                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 19:46                                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 20:03                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 20:37                                                                         ` Gavin Smith [this message]
2024-01-11 21:58                                                                           ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-12  8:28                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:33                                                           ` Info download service Gavin Smith
2024-01-12 14:42                                                             ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-12 15:08                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-13 20:54                                                               ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-15  3:13                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-15 10:35                                                                   ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-18  3:35                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-19 12:21                                                                       ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 11:57                                                   ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:06                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-07  6:44                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 20:02                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:37                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:18                                                   ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-22  8:48                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-22 21:40                                                       ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 19:03                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 19:24                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:16                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:41                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 21:17                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07  6:31                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12  0:28                                               ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12  8:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 12:08                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12 12:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 17:27                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2024-02-17 14:49                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07  4:28                                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 23:06                     ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-01 23:14                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02  0:32                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02  1:13                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02  3:14                             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02  3:46                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:12                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 15:40                 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 16:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 18:54                     ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 19:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:34                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 11:24               ` Where to contribute manual translations ? Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 21:34                 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 15:18             ` Richard Stallman

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