From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#66750: Unhelpful text in C-h v for variables with a lambda form as value Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 12:32:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <837cn08o13.fsf@gnu.org> <831qd88dt5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4533"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii , 66750@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 26 13:33:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r7EKA-0000wU-Ob for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 13:33:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r7EJz-0002P5-Cs; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 07:33:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r7EJk-0002Ml-TR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 07:32:58 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r7EJk-0004kI-JI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 07:32:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r7EJp-0004r1-TD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 07:33:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 12:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66750 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 66750-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66750.170100194918605 (code B ref 66750); Sun, 26 Nov 2023 12:33:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 66750) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2023 12:32:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40849 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r7EJJ-0004q1-Ci for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 07:32:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:64881) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r7EJE-0004pk-NV for 66750@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 07:32:28 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 44860 invoked by uid 3782); 26 Nov 2023 13:32:13 +0100 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4fe15a0f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.90.15]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 13:32:12 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 5734 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Nov 2023 12:32:12 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:275051 Archived-At: Hello, Stefan. On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 18:18:08 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > But it's not quite so simple as all that. In order to get the doc > > strings for lambdas into the .elc file, there'll have to be an > > enhancement of the .elc format. Currently, although doc strings for > > defuns/demacros/etc. are stored as file name + offset, those for > > lambdas (which are vanishingly rare at this point) are just stored > > inline in the .elc, and would get loaded along with the lambdas. > Yes, I know. I think it's an orthogonal issue. It's OK. [ .... ] > But if those become more common, the tradeoff would justify getting such > a change in `master` (especially since IIRC it simplifies `bytecomp.el` > a bit). I've committed a change to master which writes lambdas' doc strings as comments, like main functions' doc strings, rather than inline. [ .... ] > Stefan -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).