From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 67196@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#67196: M-: uses a wrong value of debug-on-error when it is nil.
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2023 10:32:23 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZWHNN3LTX-QNDd51@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83il5qe00e.fsf@gnu.org>
Hello, Eli.
On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 09:59:45 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 22:21:27 +0000
> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 67196@debbugs.gnu.org, acm@muc.de
> > From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
> > > So you kicked the can a bit further down the road.
> > > The next bug report will be that `M-: debug-from--eval-expression` does
> > > not return the expected value.
> > Not at all. debug-from--eval-expression is a purely internal variable,
> > unlike debug-on-error which is intended for user use. It is bound in
> > exactly one place, and tested in exactly one place.
> > Anybody reporting such a "bug" would legitimately get the reply "not a
> > bug".
> How about not exposing the internal variable to Lisp at all?
That's a very good idea. It would need little more than a new C function
which would bind that variable then call eval. Maybe move
eval-expression-debug-on-error into eval.c, too.
> > For what it's worth, I lost about 10 hours of time trying to debug
> > a situation where I wasn't getting a backtrace, despite debug-on-error
> > being t. The problem was that d-o-e wasn't t at all, it was nil. M-:
> > had been lying.
> You never described that situation, AFAICT. I think you should, so
> that we could assess how grave the problem is, which is an important
> part of deciding whether the solution you propose is useful. I don't
> understand how could you NOT get a backtrace when debug-on-error is
> non-nil.
Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. During those 10 hours, I was under the
impression that debug-on-error was t, because M-: debug-on-error said so.
It actually was nil. That's why I submitted this bug report.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-15 13:48 bug#67196: M-: uses a wrong value of debug-on-error when it is nil Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-15 17:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 17:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-19 17:19 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-11-19 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <87a5r9efj0.fsf@dick>
2023-11-19 19:30 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-11-24 17:10 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-24 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-24 20:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-24 21:25 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-11-24 22:21 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 7:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 10:32 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2023-11-25 11:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 12:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 14:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 16:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 16:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 17:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 18:12 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-11-25 14:23 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-17 4:23 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-19 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-19 5:05 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-25 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-26 2:39 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-27 4:54 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-25 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-24 20:22 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-24 21:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
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