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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 67196@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#67196: M-: uses a wrong value of debug-on-error when it is nil.
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 17:10:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZWDZF17mTpJp48ly@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvjzqdekij.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Hello, Stefan.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 12:19:49 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Thinking about it more clearly, we're using one variable, debug-on-error,
> > for two conflicting purposes:
> > (i) The calling mechanism of execute-extended-command, including the
> >   invocation of the debugger, should an error be signalled.
> > (ii) Use in the form to be evaluated, where the variable's value outside
> >   of execute-extended-command should endure.

> Yes, there's a conflicting need here: we want to control the way `eval`
> works "from the outside", i.e. we want the `debug-on-error` to apply to
> the evaluator but not to the code being evaluated.

> But `eval` doesn't distinguish between the context of the evaluator and
> the context of the code being evaluated because all ELisp code uses the
> same evaluator.  I can't think of any way to split the variable into two
> to solve the problem.  Instead it gives me the impression we're trying
> some impossible feat like watching oneself sleep.

I can think of a way to do this (indeed, I've got a trial implementation
here which works).

Firstly, though, there is a bug in the doc string of
eval-expression-debug-on-error: rather than stating what the meaning of
the variable is, what it's for, it states the low level details of how
it achieves the desired effect.  This is needlessly restrictive.  I
propose changing that doc string from:

    If non-nil set `debug-on-error' to t in `eval-expression'.
    If nil, don't change the value of `debug-on-error'.

to something like:

    Non-nil means enter debugger on an error in a call from `eval-expression'.
    Does not apply to errors handled by `condition-case' or those
    matched by `debug-ignored-errors'.
    A nil value for this variable will not prevent an entry to
    the debugger caused by other variables such as `debug-on-error'.
    Like `debug-on-error', this variable's value can also be a list,
    with the same meaning as for `debug-on-error'.    

..  With this change, the mechanism for eval-expression-debug-on-error
can be changed such that it doesn't become confused with debug-on-error.

>         Stefan

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).





  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-24 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-15 13:48 bug#67196: M-: uses a wrong value of debug-on-error when it is nil Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-15 17:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 17:55   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-19 17:19     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-11-19 17:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <87a5r9efj0.fsf@dick>
2023-11-19 19:30           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-11-24 17:10       ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2023-11-24 18:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-24 20:54           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-24 21:25             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-11-24 22:21               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25  7:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 10:32                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 11:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 12:40                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 13:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 14:14                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 15:50                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 16:40                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 16:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-25 16:57                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 17:36                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-25 18:12                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2023-11-25 14:23                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-17  4:23                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-19  3:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-19  5:05                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-25  3:41                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-26  2:39                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-27  4:54                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-25  7:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-24 20:22         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-24 21:33 ` Alan Mackenzie

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