From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:43:48 +0200 Message-ID: References: <873503y66i.fsf@yahoo.com> <87fs3ur9u8.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875y4moiiq.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83r0n4rj78.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vD9SGKfFNXyUzVFX" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20062"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 11 14:44:51 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgHb-000515-Bs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:44:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgGo-00078b-HS; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgGm-000785-Hm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:44:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgGj-0005S3-L7; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:44:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=XOO3jqAQyraB0fben2eSuJ0fH44AR1sjaEqO3tbOS3w=; b=lFnLLJbKT/3c+JYrsOlRQCvQ0g YAPXBdGGDdhdOrsXmvO60oXnfhg9IQfpsZJ1SGaRYCLrjD1p44zN2wEP92bd5gMgFcB4t0tJqe3Wc DXZ/ZaTdOH8LQNYeAO4mAVHLIVx6rxaiSoInRoC7sgA4KMOPATxed91dTpMPAcc95OzXXG8mYyuRA LJULUhL8e7xUxT1XVpW8h2kKzSmvZmmc1H/3fMr1pIY/jDUE14VNb8PTuiGWthAS0S2ymYccbcwz4 tzi1ypSZySQdtYJv15ZFvI0jpbzcfaMRAScruuLKb1HnNtCOtuFcDgBYkrMb93C3wmZqc+S40UM3I 2wXMsaoA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgGa-0004uL-7z; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:43:48 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83r0n4rj78.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310465 Archived-At: --vD9SGKfFNXyUzVFX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 03:24:43PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: [...] > IMNSHO, discussing a rewrite of Emacs in _any_ language is waste of > time and energy. We've seen this many times (because people still > insist on bringing this up from time to time) [...] What irks me most in such cases is not the idea itself, or the wish to discuss it. It's rather that those people consistently seem to want others to do the grunt work. Usually they seem to shy away from looking at former attempts and trying to learn something from them. Now this would be an interesting contribution: what's wrong with Climacs? What's right? What went wrong with PortableHemlock and what can we learn from it? Heck, they even seem too lazy to take the discussion to emacs-tangents. Huffing and puffing about freedom of expression is a bit... strange in this context. But seems to be fashionable these days. Cheers --=20 t --vD9SGKfFNXyUzVFX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZP8LfgAKCRAFyCz1etHa RkZgAJ9tPwaOmdzW6wwyWR+BhvONN6vAUACfc9/msU7zKmV1cLuljuphZEmt1Cc= =bkhw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vD9SGKfFNXyUzVFX--