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From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: Bignum performance
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 06:44:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZNxUJCmxMU5ZAIYP@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874jkzllqq.fsf@yahoo.com>

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On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 11:17:01AM +0800, Po Lu wrote:
> Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> writes:
> 
> > Po Lu wrote:

[...]

> >> Lisp systems normally set aside several of the high or low
> >> bits of a register as a tag linking a type to the
> >> object represented.
> >
> > But here we are at the CPU architecture level (register
> > length), surely Lisp don't meddle with that?
> >
> > No, I sense that it is, actually. So please explain, then, how
> > it works. And in particular, how many bits do we (Elisp and
> > CL) actually have for our fixnums?
> 
> I don't know about SBCL, but as for Emacs, refer to the definition of
> VALBITS in lisp.h (maybe also the right files among m/*.h and s/*.h, but
> I have no idea where they've disappeared to.)

That is what I was hinting at with "tagged representation": Emacs
Lisp does it, we don't know about SBCL. Typically, a good implementation
has small stretches of code where the values are as-is because the
compiler can prove what their type is (fixnum, whatever). But that
means that fixnums are usually limited to less than the full machine
word's width (e.g. 60 bits if your tag is four bits wide), because
your lisp has to be able to stuff them back into such a place.

Cheers
-- 
t

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-16  4:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-14  6:28 [PATCH] Re: Bignum performance (was: Shrinking the C core) Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-14  6:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-14  7:04   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14  7:35     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-14  8:09       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14  9:28         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-14  9:42           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-15 14:03             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15 15:01               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-15 22:21                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15 22:33                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-16  4:36                   ` tomas
2023-08-16  5:23                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14 16:51           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15  4:58             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-15 14:20               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15  6:26             ` [PATCH] Re: Bignum performance Po Lu
2023-08-15 14:33               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15 17:07                 ` tomas
2023-08-15 22:46                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-16  1:31                 ` Po Lu
2023-08-16  1:37                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-16  3:17                     ` Po Lu
2023-08-16  4:44                       ` tomas [this message]
2023-08-16  5:18                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-16  5:35                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-18  7:14                           ` Simon Leinen
2023-08-19 13:10                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-20  5:07                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20  6:20                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-28  5:32                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-03  0:48                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-03  8:50                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-03  9:05                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-03 10:30                                         ` Elisp native-comp vs. SBCL for inclist-type-hints benchmark (was: [PATCH] Re: Bignum performance) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-04  1:03                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-03  1:57                                   ` [PATCH] Re: Bignum performance Emanuel Berg
2023-09-04  4:13                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-16  5:41                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-16  6:42                         ` Po Lu
2023-08-16  8:05                           ` Gerd Möllmann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-08-09  9:46 Shrinking the C core Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-09 12:34 ` Po Lu
2023-08-09 15:51   ` Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-09 23:56     ` Po Lu
2023-08-10  1:19       ` Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-10  7:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-10 21:54           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 10:27             ` Bignum performance (was: Shrinking the C core) Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 12:10               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 12:32                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 12:38                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 14:07                     ` [PATCH] " Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 18:06                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 19:41                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 19:50                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-12  8:24                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-12 16:03                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-13  9:09                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-13  9:49                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-13 10:21                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14  2:20                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14  2:42                                         ` [PATCH] Re: Bignum performance Po Lu
2023-08-14  4:16                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14  7:15                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14  7:50                                             ` Po Lu
2023-08-14  9:28                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-15 14:28                                             ` Emanuel Berg

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