From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:21:39 -0400 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: References: <20230809094655.793FC18A4654@snark.thyrsus.com> <87il9owg0f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ttt7odzh.fsf@arch.mail-host-address-is-not-set> <87leej7ima.fsf@gentoo.org> <83msyzjsu3.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18716"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Sam James , ericfrederickson68@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 10 23:22:17 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qUD6m-0004dv-UG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 23:22:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qUD6E-0008Vp-Mo; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:21:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qUD6D-0008Vc-KJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:21:41 -0400 Original-Received: from thyrsus.com ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qUD6C-0007L5-5y; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:21:41 -0400 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 52C6F18A219E; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83msyzjsu3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Received-SPF: pass client-ip=71.162.243.5; envelope-from=esr@thyrsus.com; helo=snark.thyrsus.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308547 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii : > Assuming I understand what you mean by that: we've been burnt in the > past by people who started working on some grand changes, made > package-wide preparatory modifications, and then left to greener > pasture without arriving at any point where those changes have any > usefulness. I completely agree that this is a failure mode to be avoided. Preparatory changes have to be wortwhile in themselves. -- Eric S. Raymond