From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 13:57:03 -0400 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: References: <20230809094655.793FC18A4654@snark.thyrsus.com> <83y1ikl6yo.fsf@gnu.org> <834jl8kvxq.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24551"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 09 19:58:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qTnRo-00069g-Mb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 19:58:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qTnQh-0005OC-H2; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 13:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qTnQg-0005O4-Nk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 13:57:06 -0400 Original-Received: from thyrsus.com ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qTnQf-0007Jn-2T; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 13:57:06 -0400 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BBA0418A465F; Wed, 9 Aug 2023 13:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <834jl8kvxq.fsf@gnu.org> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Received-SPF: pass client-ip=71.162.243.5; envelope-from=esr@thyrsus.com; helo=snark.thyrsus.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308490 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii : > Sorry, no sneaking. If you have some plan for serious changes, please > bring that up and let's talk about them. Tempting, but...no. Not yet. I have another major project I need to finish, or nearly finish, first. https://gitlab.com/esr/shimmer "A tool to manage issues, merge-request, or mailing-list message threads embedded in a Git repository. Replaces centralized software forges by allowing all project metadata to travel with the repository, with fast notifications via email." Centralized forge sites need to die because they are single points of technical failure and chokepoints for rent-seeking and political capture. This is not a theoretical issue, we've seen technical collapse at Berlios and destructive ewnt-seeking at SourceForge. I love Emacs but this has higher priority. I'm not even going to broach the possibility of another large project until this one is well launched. I was hoping to make small changes to smoothe the way for what I have in mind, but if I can't do that I can't do that. > I CC'ed you on the message which described that, see: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-08/msg00138.html Thank you. -- Eric S. Raymond