From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Pressing ? does not allow window scrolling through the list of info commands Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 22:57:30 +0300 Message-ID: References: <83bkgoguea.fsf@gnu.org> <837crcgra6.fsf@gnu.org> <83mt07ee2n.fsf@gnu.org> <83cz13ecix.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkgneby0.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7276"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.10+64 (b470a9a) (2023-06-05) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 21:58:18 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qHras-0001g9-F0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 21:58:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHraU-0005Sg-L2; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:57:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHraS-0005SY-E8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:57:52 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHraP-0004dI-VW; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:57:52 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.75.185.95]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000C5DFE.0000000064A86E3A.000071A3; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 12:57:45 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83bkgneby0.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144196 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2023-07-07 22:54]: > As an aside, this is a typical Emacs incarnation of "the road to hell > is paved with good intentions": we take an obscure minor feature that > 5 min ago no one even knew it existed and which bothered no one, and > suddenly it is a huge usability issue, worthy of inventing novel ways > of user interactions, new faces, new header-line displays (which, btw, > steal one screen line used for precious Help display), and whatnot. > And then we are surprised that Emacs doesn't become more stable as the > years go by. > > Will we ever learn? I do not share that viewpoint. It can be assumed that if one person takes the time to write and send a letter to editor of a newspaper, there may be thousands of others who share similar concerns or opinions. The letter may serve as an opportunity for the newspaper editor to reflect on the issue and potentially address it in a way that resonates with a broader audience. That is what many media companies do, they assume that if there is one complaint, there must be thousand of other people who are silent about it. And I would like also to say "Will we ever learn?" -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/