From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Forcing emacs to not use 256 colors Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 08:50:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20230628115134.6f5874ca@fecfc4134a3d> <0100018902b4043c-e3851df4-1be4-4dbb-b58b-22fcd8412452-000000@email.amazonses.com> <83o7kxrwhe.fsf@gnu.org> <83leg0sroz.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2NW8mFKLrAOpZirz" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24654"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 01 08:51:45 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qFUSO-0006CF-Ke for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2023 08:51:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qFURo-0006lR-1z; Sat, 01 Jul 2023 02:51:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qFURg-0006l5-8j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2023 02:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qFURe-0005Qe-9P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2023 02:51:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=70yjZqmB/7lX1FHw1+hB+8btAaZd8UB8YdmsbFGPrpg=; b=g+TobIRK6ormbQkypMVA/NyNBu +5BJZcncnm1MTOwOEzg2H1WA0BfP4yc2sJB3i/V6O/Nmw1f9h1ZHQfOnmYcs5P+lfawC6Z66WKRQc zBKbHvRfgsp5MqGAccaAtZ6eM+/+8sBtXBek8f9mdLpk69jPGJn3cxtk3rPZY09TyE5raZcuC9ti2 hSR1o4EFKznEfhTY7iqDx06jRTgu+pDJDMc6Gue+unHjKW5Qi6NphCYPZax6N6JBgJ/Ab+Vq9oof+ ntQzCqAfOERUMGtAM0K/Qfax7U3HfiUDiQ4soXTGXa7P7wrBjcMmB1ClliqnINJ2WWvym5hZiVMUl 7M5gTdWw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qFURa-0005XP-Jx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2023 08:50:54 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83leg0sroz.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144071 Archived-At: --2NW8mFKLrAOpZirz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 09:58:20PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: John Yates > > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 11:14:28 -0400 > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > > If you don't like the default colors themselves, isn't it better to > > > customize the faces to use the colors you like? > >=20 > > Properly done, that is an enormous undertaking. >=20 > Not if you only ever customize the faces you care about. Let's not > gratuitously exaggerate the problem, okay? I think you're being a bit unfair here: the original problem description is perfectly valid and John's observation seems quite adequate. For someone who has been happy with a set of defaults up to now (for whatever set of reasons: habituation may be in there), it can be jarring if those defaults change. That user perhaps doesn't know how Emacs manages faces. Finding their way to "customize the faces they care about" is the first challenge. Finding the set of those may develop to a happy game of whack- a-mole. > > Just take a look at the work Protesilaos has put into creating > > themes covering large numbers of emacs packages. >=20 > Themes customize most if not all faces, something individual users > will never need to do. >=20 > Of course, the best is to just use the defaults: they are, after all, > well thought-out... I seriously hope this is tongue-in-cheek. 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