From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 09:55:14 +0200 Message-ID: References: <3f68f4bc-d426-0bcc-1329-674c12b29386@mailo.com> <76e12f7c-335f-476b-ffb3-fd8e8e4ab5d0@mailo.com> <87pm6rx4ea.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn0ytefw.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4MF+TjcN/ZrJnkAd" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30856"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 25 09:56:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q25pf-0007oR-CA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 May 2023 09:56:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q25oq-0000F3-EW; Thu, 25 May 2023 03:55:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q25og-0000As-9T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 May 2023 03:55:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q25oc-00065s-Mj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 May 2023 03:55:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=86wZCq7HsQHRWoKLaK7oup3/gj3cPY9PH+NaVp6y9SY=; b=Pw/t/fP6h7Nb6TnwouSa57y+VD LVxPrPzq8weUfbGxVuooG43GFMIGQz/HT6IFnrN5hDi1us7wchv7wyhbCZrUu4GRjkIX+Z2hJjH87 YMqj2UHTn435if2yFwJ4XGN34a/02qualGSGcv4u+5RvllXCDg8ZIctPKtHadbeY8b3QgEdqWsXK0 TcwKkB+FDR/JKkPgcXEm1gmcu5H+LWh0Iq8k8fiVp2HOMezw5A2VQ3AT+nw1DgtUH4cZN9V75oMGN MMPw8s+VmH1rHtizfvumOZ5D7DT+48wMssxnI8lqlBAwjh5baVUXtikOQ3+jPxSgRic+gLAkimTAE yVXTG4uQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1q25oY-0004WV-Uh; Thu, 25 May 2023 09:55:14 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306318 Archived-At: --4MF+TjcN/ZrJnkAd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 06:53:56AM +0000, Gregory Heytings wrote: [...] > > The new models just make it slightly more inconvenient to stay free. > >=20 >=20 > You are spreading FUD [...] Convenience, as FUD is in the eye of the beholder. We know what we are talking about, so let everyone decide for herself. [...] > > Can we call this pattern neo-proprietary? > >=20 >=20 > No, we cannot. There is no relation whatsoever between software > proprietariness and this elegant solution to the problem of library > dependencies. Agani, let's agree to differ here. I know my position here might be controversial and I don't expect anyone to agree with me. With all due respect. Cheers --=20 t --4MF+TjcN/ZrJnkAd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZG8UXAAKCRAFyCz1etHa RjwWAJ9SNMuEKqi/7I2eP557pzbjg0WTNwCfVO1kbsjQ/76zPI0GuN6UA9Q7C24= =akbp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4MF+TjcN/ZrJnkAd--