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Buck" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62370: 28.1; sieve-mode: faces should inherit from font-lock-X-face faces Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 18:03:47 +1100 Message-ID: References: <875yatpclo.fsf@gmail.com> <83y1no6dtd.fsf@gnu.org> <13910d348d640c50ebdc@heytings.org> <83jzz854zi.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FeK4P5OkScdVoieX" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1033"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jporterbugs@gmail.com, gregory@heytings.org, 62370@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 23 08:04:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pfEzn-000AdQ-D2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:04:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfEza-0003I5-0B; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:04:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfEzU-0003Gq-47 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfEzS-0004N1-Bg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:04:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pfEzR-0000VM-PL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:04:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Trent W. 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[2403:5804:c6::add]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u3-20020aa78483000000b00625e6eb438bsm11128109pfn.71.2023.03.23.00.03.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 23 Mar 2023 00:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83jzz854zi.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:258436 Archived-At: --FeK4P5OkScdVoieX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu 23 Mar 2023 08:58:09 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 12:05:24 +1100 > > From: "Trent W. Buck" > > Cc: Gregory Heytings , Eli Zaretskii , > > 62370@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > I don't think "I opened foo.sieve in Emacs 20 twenty years ago, and > > now I opened foo.sieve in Emacs 30 today, and the colors aren't identical, and now I'm mad" > > is a good argument for never changing the defaults. > > From my POV, it _is_ a good argument. Especially when the defaults > change in a feature that is easily customizable, and so basically you > are asking to impose your preferences, which are easily catered to by > your local customizations, on everyone else. > > > Emacs changes the defaults like that ALL THE TIME. > > That's not true. We do that rarely and sparingly, precisely for the > reasons you consider unimportant. > > > If they piss me off, I just patch back in the old behaviour and forget about it. > > You can do the same with the current defaults, so why are you asking > us to change them? I thought I was asking "make sieve-mode faces follow best current practice" (i.e. inherit from font-lock where appropriate), not "change sieve-mode faces from Tim's arbitrary preference to Trent's arbitrary preference". But I am not really interested in arguing this further, so let's just WONTFIX this ticket. --FeK4P5OkScdVoieX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYIAB0WIQSa2DCDFKeGhLfn4PQv4DGKIStEDAUCZBv50wAKCRAv4DGKIStE DOONAP9g67inXIrcMaZflszLOPJIJv6appm3PhWtFSKOEm1DUwEAjt0sAUbmnzqT YxVBkIoT635NUWwY9ewDaCxRQWBBcw0= =qgn5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FeK4P5OkScdVoieX--