From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Is ChatGPT bullshit? Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 22:58:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7290780.2375960.1734348492938.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <7290780.2375960.1734348492938@mail.yahoo.com> <6c53521e-4aa6-40d1-b4a5-0e00989ad201@easy-emacs.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zk6l510FdgKpENFj" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20084"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 24 22:58:58 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tQCva-00054z-63 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 22:58:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQCux-0000OG-Ui; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 16:58:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQCuw-0000O5-6J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 16:58:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQCuu-0006ky-66 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 16:58:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=BBkoi7c0kjHYvrzf933Bnl/WDijwa+auEhtSa4Buo60=; b=shAQQfqld2YRz3BizGRJxbQsji HADdVxmiCqOcZg6swe1PfqN/DT4wBgnAHl6UOPDRakTT2WglV8dwSXvk0FCXXMQ7V8dJDcgHBRn// VKPhQgIyH2MAfwXUq+48DVnL8uBFnEqbe1wTlEU7XevU/OQkrylZsnqir1CvvAbPi4iTXarkQ/uTM wb+uzrBMqucqjyueIeYCWbJcYjRr7pPUcue1Geh+teMLH5Ezg+KAbZ9JPAX3Jl5IlVKmAvJzQ17DV Fr4JbXrKCF5Evfj00RK4XknLFHq+wfldyoiONhGnfY4gtZFWCjW/0iHzpKhiP9t2J7w6vD5Di7xGY 1KIqcHIQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tQCur-00045d-94; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 22:58:13 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6c53521e-4aa6-40d1-b4a5-0e00989ad201@easy-emacs.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:148959 Archived-At: --zk6l510FdgKpENFj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 11:57:08AM +0100, Andreas R=C3=B6hler wrote: >=20 > Am 17.12.24 um 22:35 schrieb Jean Louis: > > ChatGPT is bullshit | Most definitely, yes. The already linked Uni Glasgow article [1] makes a compelling case. > No, it isn't. We have a language problem, because we have something new. > Must split the notion of intelligence. >=20 > People tried to fly like a bird. Where they successful? >=20 > Not really. >=20 > But no bird is able to reach the moon. >=20 > LLMs are able to reason. With the amount of data they will be -- and > probably already are-- much stronger in reasoning/deduction then humans. No. They can babble /as if/ they were reasoning. Jeez. I thought we had cleared that ca 1966 [2]: Cheers [1] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10676-024-09775-5?error=3Dco= okies_not_supported&code=3Da86869b1-3f10-4599-aeb1-f482d3a4d2e2#Aff1 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect --=20 t --zk6l510FdgKpENFj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZ2subQAKCRAFyCz1etHa RrBSAJ9IJoRiM8k5cdE/pmTU0cr1lXyjewCfdIX4aMatRAd5XohOJ9/8wyXhlw8= =Ttv4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zk6l510FdgKpENFj--