From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 20:17:53 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83h70m19yv.fsf@gnu.org> <87tu4mm7kt.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87pmfa9k30.fsf@gnus.org> <83r0zqysyu.fsf@gnu.org> <877d1im5k3.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83h70myrrp.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zqknrx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83ill0yfct.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yy1nmfM4NiXAVwdd" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20227"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Rob Browning , larsi@gnus.org, yandros@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 20:47:51 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ofQTn-00053j-D4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 20:47:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39618 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofQTm-0001io-E4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 14:47:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55178) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofQ0y-00082C-Kn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 14:18:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:41856) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofQ0v-00016p-5N; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 14:18:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=NUsu0mJKWbS8v2e+IsVS+LLe7BA+vz6FHF9epgsR5M4=; b=lzA1RwPRiMxZIGmYJrvVb1WnMr 97POcUdR77j9Ma6OidseZ2ew7/Ux89YZFKVs4mahTCwOS6bnEIXYGoqJcx+owwd8CT1t31T3cqPKx raquNWtu6lv/ZnXd83SOkJsokK01JyktfzyOWU3y6lqFlzW2DO0sSup6gGadlduka5mvovnbjEHdR iDXzIRzn/rVVf5LqnNPJoc0/ue0owPUsnrMTHAY7t3AHTxxrDs5i8E3AIQsPhN+8S+jYejhSENEWj ZKfIP64El1A+FmL+VD5fNQOMuOYV7QiNGSYCI5yVnQap0kdic9Hrf1/+aKGWgWylK8FaAzN2r1A9F ZL/TW+bA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofQ0n-0007cm-Gc; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 20:17:53 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83ill0yfct.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296784 Archived-At: --yy1nmfM4NiXAVwdd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 03, 2022 at 08:41:22PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > [Full disclosure: evidently, none of what I write below matters, so > feel free to ignore.] Now I think this is a bit unfair. You have a string opinion, and I think it shhould be respected, but the others have, too. > > You can only have one of them installed at a time, and you can > > (currently) only have one major version installed at a time. > >=20 > > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=3Demacs >=20 > That's strange to hear. Even MS-Windows allows per-user variations of > PATH and per-use environment variables. It is strange to learn that > Debian doesn't. Note that this is only as far as the Debian packaging system is concerned. Per-user you can have as many Emacsen installed as you want -- the Debian packaging system doesn't know about them. Alternatively, you can have a system-local install (going to /usr/local) besides the Debian-installed one without them interfering (that's the setup I use). This is actually what I love in Debian: you have single applications you care about which you install from souces and take over the hand feeding, and for the rest you get hight quality packaging with pretty low noise. Emacs, for me, happens to be one of those care-and-feeding applications, but for others, the choice might be different. It's them whom the Debian-packaged Emacsen are for. 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