From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Display of undisplayable characters: \U01F3A8 instead of diamond Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 15:35:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83tu5wy7jb.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6996"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 28 17:36:54 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oSKLG-0001jN-QG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 17:36:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58438 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oSKLF-0000xh-NZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 11:36:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53218) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oSKJt-00083L-Po for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 11:35:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:21269) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oSKJr-0004Tn-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 11:35:29 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 75259 invoked by uid 3782); 28 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +0200 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p2e5d5a4e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.93.90.78]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 13249 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Aug 2022 15:35:22 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294247 Archived-At: Hello, Gregory. On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 13:00:44 +0000, Gregory Heytings wrote: > >> At the moment, I'm not sure whether I will end up using it or not. > >> Probably not. > > Why not? The Linux console is abysmally inadequate for Emacs, from > > where I stand. > Indeed. It's not clear to me why we are having this discussion. With > fbterm, the Linux console is on the par with most terminal emulators. In my copy of fbterm C-M-e aborts the fbterm session without saving anything. C-M-c and C-M-d are similarly stolen, making this version of fbterm unusable for Emacs. Have you tried these key combinations? Do they really get through to Emacs on your system? > FTR, here are two screenshots of Emacs' HELLO file, one with Emacs running > in a raw console, and one with Emacs running inside fbterm. > Eli, is the attached patch okay? Or is there a better place for that > information (efaq.texi, perhaps?)? I think recommending fbterm is premature. The problems I've run into with it need resolving, first. [ .... ] -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).