From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 08:26:01 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7zox6w4.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24173"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/+ () (2022-05-21) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 25 14:16:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ntpwD-00064f-PQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 May 2022 14:16:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37972 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntpwC-0002p2-HU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 May 2022 08:16:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38114) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntpqu-0007kV-KL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2022 08:11:04 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:36737) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntpqs-0002oh-DN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2022 08:10:59 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.5.236]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000081F9B.00000000628E1CCF.000058CA; Wed, 25 May 2022 05:10:55 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87o7zox6w4.fsf@dataswamp.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, RCVD_IN_SBL=0.141, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137404 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg [2022-05-24 00:44]: > Jean Louis wrote: > > >> One problem with IRC is the presence of lamers, luckily > >> this problem can be solved easily with technology starting > >> with the IRC client. Today I learned how to do this with my > >> client, ERC: > > > > Emacs channel for years has no moderators who moderate by > > common sense and police the channel for good behavior, there > > are no special rules, and those policies displayed like to > > avoid discrimination and asshatery will be quickly broken by > > those few dominating over larger group of people there [...] > > But actually I think that's good, you just configure your own > clients do do that for you. > > I.e., everyone has or can have his own rules, but no one is > forced to live by everyone's rules. It is actually wrong, as by IRC nature when single user (A) blocks somebody, only single user does not see what that somebody does, all other people do see, and they may not even have idea that you do not see, let us say harassment of user (A) -- behavior is exposed to public hanging on such channel, as public learns by example and it attracts more of narcissistic people to join in, and scares people who behave well. When there is moderator with common sense, then such moderator does not impede the exchange of opinions, but personal attacks, illegal and bad behavior. Then the public learns by example and behaves well. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/