From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Third Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: MacOS signing Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:18:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4543fef4-e7ac-8599-0f23-9c65caec5be3@cs.cornell.edu> <838rseaink.fsf@gnu.org> <3480a19d-02da-7424-7361-93b504ed85a8@cs.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16931"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 11 22:19:25 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ne0VQ-0004Cq-MB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 22:19:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35962 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ne0VP-0002hs-3s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:19:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58994) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ne0UG-0001yl-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:18:12 -0400 Original-Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:57159) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ne0UE-0002fH-1r; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:18:11 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.11]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C89FF868; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 20:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [10.10.4.99]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1649708284; bh=EGnZ0BGIhgqoyZ3CIoslGo9tCAZG7tTDTgbvV/14T9Q=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=GUq4Zkr8yR/ZDsLR+VdI7GnUYMXtMTY2Lw9QLE9e7I9sS3Uw7CCcfe5A23CNa0CJG Mb4klNL60fhYhgsRhy5ABQgS9ogXw9zRH0JxIx7ZcmU8xTZAlYSf1525Gako+tTLKY 6wuU/ErpUGtp+B/WO6ea3ad+VARfDx1Y81CgZylPB99SSsp6a7UZVElEwCiqqCLxwm n+g6GdwodkcI25i5A6dyvvHCbLPATq3ZN7LPfphjbk4LdiZbTjExan9tWZBp/lcoQF Vn6rdrM/YXTDGt1x7Ix1qtnXxYopJ4KdzcKsB41XZ9GfdzIgqDo2viYebihi60aF4J LT3RZ0z3QunTA== Original-Received: from alan by faroe.holly.idiocy.org with local (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1ne0U7-000NT4-In; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:18:03 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.126.228; envelope-from=alan@idiocy.org; helo=outbound.soverin.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288246 Archived-At: On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 11:23:32PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > It might be worth trying Jim's builds from > > https://github.com/jimeh/emacs-builds, as I understand it they're > > signed and so on, which might avoid some problems with running it. > > Would some Mac expert please explain to me (off the list) what's > going on here? I'm not really up-to-date with the ins and outs of macOS's security model, but as I understand it macOS expects applications to be "signed" by some developer certificate provided by Apple. This has never affected me because I always build my own Emacs and, at least on the ancient version of macOS I'm running, self-built applications are exempt from this. There is some way to work around it. It used to be that you just had to click through a security warning the first time the application ran, but I think it's more complex now. The reason I suggested the OP try Jim Myrhberg's builds over the emacsformacosx.com ones is that not only are Jim's signed, but the latter use a script to select and execute the Emacs binary, and that seems to cause further trouble with the macOS security model. Perhaps someone who actually uses macOS can explain this better. -- Alan Third