From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Default custom file was: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:27:55 +0300 Message-ID: References: <871r1k38ym.fsf@gmail.com> <87ee5kmm6t.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6g8m1n1.fsf@gmail.com> <871r1jm4hf.fsf@gmail.com> <8735lupwt1.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35391"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.1.5+104 (cd3a5c8) (2022-01-09) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 11 15:41:19 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n7IKs-00095f-Ux for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:41:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36486 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7IKr-0004Me-UP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 09:41:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59132) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7HFm-0000Q8-Q8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:32:02 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:39111) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7HFg-0002eE-0V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:31:57 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.155.143]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000038055.0000000061DD869A.0000613E; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 06:31:05 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284605 Archived-At: * xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions. [2022-01-11 15:08]: > Quoting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-01/msg00794.html > > ... > > At the end of the day, this seems like a non-problem driven by a > > belief/ideology that mixing user and auto-generated code is so wrong it > > has to be eliminated. If there was evidence of significant adverse > > impact to users due to this practice, change would be warranted. > > However, as it now stands, I cannot see how such change can be > > justified. > > All arguments against Drew's proposals so far converge at "it is better > to do nothing."  Why not propose something even better?  Throwing "where > is your evidence?" around is easy, but one must consider we are far from > the domain of scientific method here, or of law.  Is existence of people > on Emacs related forums suggesting setting custom-file to /dev/null as a > good solution evidence enough?  How about split of early-init/creation > of straight.el?  What you call "belief/ideology" is known as intuition, > and it is the primary force behind any successful software.  Or any > kind of invention, really.  If only concern is the cost of change, why > not produce arguments for how to reduce that cost or to find a way > forward? A girl I know here uses frequently Emacs and she is 3 years. She likes large letters and cannot read. For her is important to enlarge letters and to type on keyboard. She does not know what letters and numbers mean. I can tell she is new user of Emacs. It would be great for this new user to enable C-x-+ to and C-x-- to be easier accessible (text-scale-adjust INC) and thus I propose to include the text scale option into any setup wizards to come, in easy way. The way how I have see it in the setup-wizard.el is too complicated. I rather expect something like using + and - to set the default font size so that young people can easier get along. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/