From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:41:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YbsJrdwCXMLqGApL@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83bl1hhvjk.fsf@gnu.org>
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 09:13:19AM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
[...]
> > Since a few years ago Gcc improved after painfully breaking old
> > constraints, pressured by the new competitor, but I'm afraid that it
> > will be too little, too late. Linux compiles with Clang, and that's a
> > very worrying signal for Gcc, because if certain distributions migrate
> > to Clang, Gcc development will be over.
>
> That rings a bell: it's what I heard 20 years ago about XEmacs vs GNU
> Emacs when I talked (in person) to its main developers. The rest is
> history.
I think it is still relevant. Big corps have learnt to ride the waves
since then. Watch Microsoft "being friendly" to "open source" to the
tune of $ 7 billion (if I remember correctly) they shelled out for
Github (they didn't out of the goodness and warmth of their hearts:
I, at least, don't believe in fairy tales). Watch Google (before that)
editing out the "do no evil" while nobody seemed to be looking.
They still want some kind of user [1] control, but they know they can't
be as ham-fisted as they used to be in the '8ies and '90ies. The
question is wheter to agree or disagree with this "new" user control
patterns. Personally I don't, but I don't yet know the FSF's position on
that.
Cheers
[1] how is the return on investment to be secured, otherwise?
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2021-12-11 4:17 ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Stefan Kangas
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2021-12-11 8:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 9:20 ` Po Lu
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2021-12-11 12:49 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 12:57 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 13:29 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 13:45 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 13:55 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-12 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12 4:46 ` Po Lu
2021-12-13 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 4:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 4:12 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-14 4:36 ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 7:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 7:40 ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 8:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 9:16 ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 10:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 13:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 23:41 ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 5:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 7:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:17 ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Po Lu
2021-12-15 7:23 ` Contradictiory directions Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:36 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 7:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:48 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 7:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:59 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 8:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 8:13 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 9:16 ` tomas
2021-12-15 9:49 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 9:59 ` tomas
2021-12-15 10:06 ` Po Lu
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2021-12-15 12:31 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 13:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 17:45 ` Stephen Leake
2021-12-19 8:30 ` tomas
2021-12-20 4:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 9:17 ` Lele Gaifax
2021-12-15 12:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 15:15 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 4:44 ` Po Lu
2021-12-16 8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 13:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-16 14:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 14:10 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-15 10:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:24 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 10:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:42 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 12:44 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 13:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 14:33 ` dick
2021-12-15 14:54 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-17 4:23 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 14:54 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16 5:12 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 13:56 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 15:11 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 19:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-15 21:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 9:41 ` tomas [this message]
2021-12-16 10:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 11:34 ` tomas
2021-12-16 14:18 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-16 15:14 ` tomas
2021-12-16 11:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 11:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 11:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-17 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 5:15 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 13:36 ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 14:34 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 15:02 ` tomas
2021-12-15 7:26 ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Po Lu
2021-12-16 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 8:33 ` tomas
2021-12-15 14:22 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 22:35 ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 7:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 5:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-17 4:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19 4:57 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 9:33 ` tomas
2021-12-12 5:07 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-12 5:17 ` Po Lu
2021-12-12 5:20 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-13 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 5:30 ` Po Lu
2021-12-13 5:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-13 6:01 ` Po Lu
2021-12-13 8:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-12 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-12 4:00 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12 4:00 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12 4:48 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 5:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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