From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Noob dumb question (extending emacs) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:10:36 +0300 Message-ID: References: <86k0i6uoxd.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <871r4ernmt.fsf@zoho.eu> <87o87hnrpt.fsf@zoho.eu> <875ytnzka1.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18339"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 24 09:21:34 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1meXoz-0004YY-Sv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:21:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42186 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meXoy-0008IJ-0D for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 03:21:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60764) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meXoL-0008Fn-FT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 03:20:53 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:36417) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meXoD-0002Po-0r for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 03:20:50 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.75.191.219]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000027F06.000000006175094B.00001014; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 00:20:42 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <875ytnzka1.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:134090 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-10-23 21:09]: > Jean Louis wrote: > > > Absolutes are not attainable and practically any LISP can > > generate passwords just as many other random outcomes. > > If Linux can do it it should be possible to hook Lisp (Elisp) > into that same mechanism and without too much work as well, > since the work is already done. It's really not necessary, just read documentation for `random' function, it is good enough. > > What matters is practicality. Can a program generate > > a practical random password? If answer is YES, it is useful. > > > > For huge majority of users it does not matter neither they > > can know that passwords have their seeds or that they are > > not truly random. > > No one is saying stop using Lisp for practical purposes. > But doing things the right way is not a slower or more > impractical way to do it in the short run - and in the long > run, it is much better in that and other respects ... So the right way is something you know it should exist, because of scientists talking about it, but it is not out there in real world? I call that science fiction. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/