From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Subject: Re: Noob dumb question (extending emacs)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 00:31:24 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YXMtrA2+norrkPJF@protected.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP_d_8XhOfB67ccGZ2aXvn_sWr9tBjvo9YEXULca2h2JNRcNug@mail.gmail.com>
* Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> [2021-10-22 21:56]:
> (Sorry for the previous unfinished email.)
>
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 00:55, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
>
> > For people interested, manual explains about randomity:
> > (info "(elisp) Random Numbers")
> >
> > How I understand it, than it may be that neither `pwgen' is generating
> > truly random numbers.
>
> Inspecting the source shows pwgen uses /dev/urandom if available, and
> /dev/random otherwise, and all bytes of the password come from one of
> those sources. These are as random as you can get and use thermal
> noise in your HDD as one of the sources of randomness.
Which tells me Emacs Lisp could have access to such data and set the
seed quite randomly practically:
- I have noticed that file "/proc/pressure/io" is constantly
changing, could not find temperature stuff now, thus:
(defun first-line-of-file (file)
(with-temp-buffer
(insert-file-contents file)
(substring (buffer-string) 0 (string-match "\n" (buffer-string)))))
(let ((line (first-line-of-file "/proc/pressure/io")))
;; Now set random seed:
(random line)
;; Now generate random password
(rcd-password)) ⇒ "TMqVMJiT(JKR1^8uLYzT"
You say that passwords are not really random and Emacs Lisp is
not made for that.
I say that passwords can be generated practically to be random
for the user from the users' viewpoint, and it is evident.
If you can predict the password I am generating it will become
evident that passwords are not truly random. Until then... they
are random. ;-)
--
Jean
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2021-10-19 22:12 Noob dumb question (extending emacs) Ivano Da Milano
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2021-10-20 18:56 ` Ken Goldman
2021-10-20 19:01 ` Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-20 19:45 ` Jean Louis
2021-10-21 5:27 ` Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-21 7:40 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2021-10-21 15:46 ` Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-21 16:03 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
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2021-10-23 12:54 ` Michael Heerdegen
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