From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <874ka5gsqa.fsf@gnus.org> <25d8d72022b571db5291@heytings.org> <87h7e2xsl5.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20321"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Richard Stallman , Phil Sainty , emacs-devel , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_A=2E?= Gomes , Gregory Heytings , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_T=E1vora?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 30 18:59:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVzOp-00053D-OR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:59:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34318 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVzOo-0000vd-PC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:59:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59020) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVzOA-0000Dk-4N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:58:30 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:31118 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVzO8-0007ty-3q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:58:29 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 76477 invoked by uid 3782); 30 Sep 2021 16:58:24 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4fe15a46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.90.70]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:58:24 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 5658 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Sep 2021 16:58:24 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.1; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275915 Archived-At: Hello, João. On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 12:18:41 +0100, João Távora wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:54 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > > Using grep and tag systems to reason about a Lisp program is like eating > > > soup with a fork. You can do it, but it's the wrong tool. > > That is a very negative and unhelpful thing to say. Do you have the > > requisite background to say it? > Is there a "requisite background" to express opinions on this mailing list? Of course. That is a genuine interest in the development of Emacs. It would appear that André has such a background. However, his earlier post, the one to which I replied, looked like it could have come from a troll. We have had at least one troll on this list in the last few years, and he caused a great deal of wasted time for a lot of people before I told him to go away. I was prepared to do the same again, but this time sooner. Happily it turned out this was not needed. > Must have missed that memo. Amongst quite a few other things. > João > PS: Agree with André, btw. Don't know if I have the "requisite > background", either. You do, as you know very well. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).