From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 19:14:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40126"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Phil Sainty , Eli Zaretskii , joaotavora@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 28 21:16:07 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVIaF-000ACO-6u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2021 21:16:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59394 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVIaE-0000q8-4a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:16:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42108) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVIYe-0007Mq-4B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:14:28 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:18182 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVIYa-0003a6-Qk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:14:27 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 10715 invoked by uid 3782); 28 Sep 2021 19:14:22 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4fe15cfd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.92.253]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Sep 2021 21:14:22 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 21392 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Sep 2021 19:14:22 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.1; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275729 Archived-At: Hello, Stefan. On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 14:38:02 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Can we please delay the release of Emacs 28.1 until we have these tool > > enhancements in place? > These tool enhancements won't appear magically until people start using > shorthands and bumping into issues that need fixing. The bumping into has already happened. How do you propose I find all occurrences of jit-lock-functions in the Emacs Lisp sources, which up to now I've been able to do with find and grep? > shorthands won't be used widely until it's supported by a large fraction > of installed Emacsen, .... So we experience the problems for real in 2023 rather than 2021? > .... so we want to add the essential support for it as soon as > possible, so that people can start using it for real in Emacs-29 > (knowing then that it also works for people still on Emacs-28). How am I now supposed to find every occurrence of jit-lock-functions? > Stefan -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).