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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: How to rename files to numbers in Eshell?
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 16:43:34 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YU8nhmvXSE5YNznI@protected.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wnn6h21u.fsf@zoho.eu>

> > I have transcribed almost anything I used to do in Bash to
> > Emacs Lisp. For example image resizing with external
> > `mogrify'
> 
> Holy cow, lucky me I don't think like that as I have 100+ zsh
> to (if so) translate into Elisp ... [1]
> 
> I don't think it is a matter of Elisp being less or more wordy
> (but interestingly Elisp and Lisp in general is very wordy
> while shell script languages and zsh in particular has
> a syntax that is extremely compact and cryptic) - so while it
> isn't about that (here), it is rather about where you are and
> what you do. Elisp for editing files and inputting text and
> shell languages for all work in/from the filesystem.

When personal Emacs environment develops than it becomes rather
tedious to do it in Bash when there are many prepared and ready
functions from Emacs Lisp. The more environment is developed and user
knows about it, the easier it becomes to think with Emacs handling
stuff that common users would otherwise handle with the shell.

> > There are more functions available to Emacs Lisp than to
> > Bash, re-usability in Emacs Lisp is so much higher.
> 
> You are aware that there are other shells than Bash?

Sure, like eshell. ;-)

I would use any program if it satisfies the purpose. Within `mutt'
email client I will use `fzf' and `psql' to choose some items from the
database and completion and tabulated list mode to choose items from
within Emacs. So it really does not matter. What user knows or prefers
personal and what is more useful shall be first chosen.

> Also, shell programming doesn't rely on functions half as much
> as does well, functional programming like Lisp.

If you don't rely, then don't, otherwise Bash script can be developed
very similar to Emacs lisp with a lot of reusable functions.


-- 
Jean

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-25 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-11 13:15 How to rename files to numbers in Eshell? Felix E. Klee
2021-09-11 13:40 ` Jean Louis
2021-09-12  8:44   ` Felix E. Klee
2021-09-12 19:03     ` Jean Louis
2021-09-13  9:28       ` Jean Louis
2021-09-13 11:52         ` tomas
2021-09-14  7:42         ` Felix E. Klee
2021-09-14  9:17           ` Jean Louis
2021-09-14  9:32             ` tomas
2021-09-14 11:11             ` Felix E. Klee
2021-09-14 13:37               ` Jean Louis
2021-09-14 15:48                 ` Felix E. Klee
2021-09-16 22:37                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-09-16 22:47             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-09-17  7:27               ` Felix E. Klee
2021-09-24  7:21         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-25 13:43           ` Jean Louis [this message]
2021-09-26  2:50             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-30  6:38         ` Felix E. Klee
2021-09-30  7:37           ` Jean Louis
2021-09-30  7:50             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-30 13:17             ` Felix E. Klee
2021-09-30 15:34               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-30 21:42                 ` Jean Louis
2021-10-01  0:09                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-01 20:51                     ` Jean Louis
2021-10-01 21:34                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-02  7:53                         ` Lack of integration in Emacs - it was " Jean Louis
2021-10-03  8:16                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-03  9:27                             ` Jean Louis
2021-10-04  3:29                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-04 10:15                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-10-04 11:22                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-22 14:46       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-22 14:27   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-16 12:15 ` Felix E. Klee
2021-09-16 15:11   ` Nick Dokos
2021-09-16 16:07     ` Felix E. Klee

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