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From: 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is it ok to sort a list of overlays destructively?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 09:20:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YQLVRZrk8bcrQpDt@scrozzle> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83im0trvbq.fsf@gnu.org>

On 2021-07-29 at 18:30:49 +0300,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 08:11:46 -0700
> > From: 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com
> > 
> > > > I am not sure if such a statement exists in any of the manuals. Should
> > > > it not be stated explicitly somewhere?
> > > 
> > > I don't think it should be, no.  It's pretty much obvious, IMO.
> > 
> > I'm not disagreeing, but why is it obvious?
> 
> Because anything else is a bug, for the same reason that you
> rightfully expect Emacs not to crash when some Lisp program does
> something silly.

That's very thought provoking.  Thank you.

If I believe (and maybe I'm old!) that "Emacs is the extensible,
customizable, self-documenting, real-time display editor," then I
wouldn't be surprised at all if some Lisp program caused Emacs to crash.
After all, those Lisp programs have [a great deal of] access to Emacs'
internals.

I don't realize the expectation you mentioned unless/until I think of
Emacs as platform of some kind, upon which I build a program.  To that
end, https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ does now claim that "[a]t its
core is an interpreter for Emacs Lisp, a dialect of the Lisp programming
language with extensions to support text editing."

I'm definitely closer to "it's obvious" than I was earlier.  :-)

My descriptionb of overlays-in (I don't have the C source code handy,
only what appears when I run describe-function in Emacs 27.2) matches
Marcin's and doesn't describe sorting.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-29 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-27  5:22 Is it ok to sort a list of overlays destructively? Marcin Borkowski
2021-07-27  9:40 ` tomas
2021-07-27 10:07   ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-07-27 13:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-27 20:14   ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-07-28  2:25     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28  6:06       ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-07-28 11:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-29 11:34           ` John Yates
2021-07-29 12:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-29 15:11               ` 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE
2021-07-29 15:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-29 16:20                   ` 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE [this message]
2021-07-29 16:53                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-30 19:27               ` Marcin Borkowski

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