From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs i18n Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:03:05 +0300 Message-ID: References: <874kctcb97.fsf@cock.li> <837dhp3uqg.fsf@gnu.org> <2114291.0jFjTtfV1S@galex-713.eu> <875yx8bquz.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19406"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 08:05:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m6oJq-0004rt-Gx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 08:05:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40058 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m6oJo-0007cz-Re for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 02:05:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43350) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m6oJR-0007co-LH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 02:05:33 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:39129) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m6oJQ-0006cF-18 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 02:05:33 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.30]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000057F2B.0000000060FA5C29.00007CB0; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 23:05:29 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <875yx8bquz.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:132068 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-07-17 23:58]: > Alexandre Garreau wrote: > > > Translating emacs would require to translate many > > identifiers, it would actually amount to translate > > a programming language > > I don't think anyone suggests doing that, I think what can be > translated is *the interface*, so for example in the menu > "Quit" or "Exit" or whatever it says (I'm not a menu user) > _that_ would be translated. I don't think there are a lot of > advantages doing this, and I do see some DISadvantages, so > I think it shouldn't be done, actually, but the suggestion > isn't "translate everything", that would be an insane, almost, > rather than a bad suggestion. Many things could be translated, it is about GNU Project to organize translation efforts: - TUTORIAL is translated in many languages, it could be done in more, this is first essential document to start with. - Emacs Lisp Intro and Manual could be translated in other languages; let us say if it is translated into German language then this would be the jumping board or starting point to continue translation of other parts of Emacs; - Menu system definitely could be translate, but maybe it is just like so much software uses gettext, I would not know. I would say not even to translate it if Emacs Lisp Intro and Manual are not yet ready in the same language. - GNU MANIFESTO (I don't find it), GNU Project and other GNU website pages as linked from Emacs are I guess already translated in many languages. I did not test it but I doubt that Emacs is checking for locale settings and fetching the right translated page from website, it should. If user is on German language then Emacs should fetch German version from GNU Project website; -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/