From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Quote by Knuth Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 22:51:33 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87o8bgg6br.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210705154121.GB6395@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23407"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 06 21:56:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rBU-0005qV-Ej for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 21:56:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45260 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rBT-0000Fi-BP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:56:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rB6-0000FF-9H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:56:20 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:53967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rB4-0006xA-DN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:56:19 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.34.164]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000057EBC.0000000060E4B55F.00002754; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 12:56:14 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: tomas@tuxteam.de, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210705154121.GB6395@tuxteam.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131584 Archived-At: * tomas@tuxteam.de [2021-07-05 18:42]: > There's at least one wise person who put that exactly the other > way around: > > "Programming is the art of telling another human being > what one wants the computer to do" > > -- D.E.Knuth [1] Maybe Knuth's quote is related to literate programming. Maybe it is related to the resulting program and user's view of it. It mentions "another human being" and not "another programmer" specifically. It is nice to have quotes. It is nice to remember that quotes apply only within specific contexts and that there is no absoluta. Programs are made for people, users could not care less how is program really written. They need not know it. Theoreticall background may be so much distinct from practical application. Majority of applications today are for users and their life, business or entertainment. They care less of what we theoretically speak about the underlying program. What they want is functional software, and users often don't even know they are running "software", as terms changed so much. They may call it by name, like "Open Google" when they open any kind of browser, they may not know what "browser" ist, etc. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/