From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Leaving Freenode behind Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 23:43:12 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29886"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) Cc: Richard Stallman , Emacs developers To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 22 22:47:30 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnIw-0007Y9-0n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 22:47:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56338 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnIv-0004hv-3f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:47:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36642) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnIO-0003yM-3k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:46:56 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37135) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnIH-00043i-0n; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:46:55 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.61]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000076061.0000000060D24C16.000027D8; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:46:13 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Kangas , Richard Stallman , Emacs developers Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: 15 X-Spam_score: 1.5 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:270982 Archived-At: * Stefan Kangas [2021-06-22 08:15]: > Richard Stallman writes: > > > I do have to correct one detail. Libera is a company, so the term > > "community-run" might be misleading. > > This is incorrect, as far as I can tell. > > Libera is, according to themselves: "a Swedish nonprofit organisation > with organisation number 802535-6448, feel free to read our > bylaws".[1] > > Looking up the Swedish organization LIBERA CHAT registered with that > number, it is an "ideell förening" (roughly: "volunteer driven > association", or "non-profit" in English), which is most definitely > not a company. It is subject to all the normal regulations you would > expect for a non-profit: no one can "own" or "sell" it, it is > controlled by its annual general meeting, etc. > > Footnotes: > [1] https://libera.chat/about When speaking of Swedish companies, have registered quite a few of such for our clients. They are all registered with Bolagsverket.se. What you wish to say is that it is a non-profit type of an entity. You mix the general term "company" to be only the company with shareholders or members with shares. In many countries "company" is used for any kind of type of the entity, including for a partnership, including for non-incorporated associations and so on. So it is in Sweden. In fact, when you wish to search for a any type of a company you are offered label that includes the word "company". Even if a non-profit is named "non-profit" the only difference is that profits are not distributed as dividends to shareholders. Non-profit though can pay very high salaries to its board, employees and hire outside companies where money may go. Everything else if anything remains, is used for re-investing into non-profit purposes. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/