From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Leaving Freenode behind Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 02:38:28 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29488"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) Cc: Emacs developers To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 22 01:42:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lvTYt-0007Qk-8b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 01:42:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41968 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvTYs-0006eI-6d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 19:42:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvTXZ-0004rU-N7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 19:41:17 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:57317) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvTXX-0002UB-T2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 19:41:17 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.61]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000075D04.0000000060D12398.00001C93; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:41:12 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:270976 Archived-At: * Stefan Kangas [2021-06-21 23:26]: > As you may have heard, the Freenode IRC network has been taken over by > a hostile corporate entity.[1][2] The #emacs community has already > moved.[3] > > I suggest we stop promoting it in Emacs, and instead promote the > community run Libera Chat.[4] This would mean removing most > references and links to Freenode in our sources and documentation. > > Are there any objections to this plan? If not, I will be happy to go > ahead and make the necessary changes. Maybe you have to research that subject better. What you mention as "hostile corporate entity" is the same entity supporting and organizing money for Freenode to exist for years. You made rather harsh statement IMHO. How I see it, their drama does not belong to emacs-devel. I also think that everybody is free to use any service and emacs-devel should not promote neither this or that network as being better or invalidate a network as being hostile. Make a channel wherever you wish and let people choose without emotional wars. I am surprised how you people start acting as judges where there is no case. Remember that the "hostile entity" never changed its attitude towards support of the free software. Instead of saying "thanks" for all of the years, you spread misinformation here. Btw, there are 19200 users... does that mean you are dropping people for mis-judgment? -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/