From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using Emacs for business Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 10:09:00 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87im2ewr3k.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210616072819.GB17919@tuxteam.de> <20210616093202.GC22979@tuxteam.de> <87mtrpvjwy.fsf@zoho.eu> <87im2dtnzk.fsf@zoho.eu> <87v96dqray.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3421"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 17 09:12:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltmCC-0000dJ-WC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 09:12:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49246 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltmCB-0007zB-7G for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 03:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56514) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltmBq-0007z1-4D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 03:11:50 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:36825) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltmBl-0008WT-OL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 03:11:49 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.23]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000076066.0000000060CAF5AE.00002AD0; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 00:11:42 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87v96dqray.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130953 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-06-17 03:17]: > > Emacs Lisp has a main advantage of being bundled with the > > editor and thus has nice ready made interfaces. For example, > > I would not like re-inventing the editor. I think that is > > main feature of it. > > The editor? I'm talking about programming languages, of course > one should have a good editor for Python - Emacs, just to give > you an example... Python does not have nice ready made interface like Emacs has. Editing is integral part of the work. I have been doing the same work outside of Emacs and have been using HTTP interface where nice editing is almost impossible. One has to use browser text fields, eventually extensions to edit objects. I have been using console and launching any editor and I can say that is more tedious than having Emacs run the program and launch editing of values or objects. Emacs offers ready made GUI that may be used by programmers, for example: - various nice and handy input functions are there, completing-read and similar; Is there equivalent in Python for following in 2 lines? (let ((collection '("one" "two" "thre"))) (completing-read "Choice: " collection)) - various completing and selection packages like helm, ivy, are there making the work so much easier with automatic improvements; those work straight and automatic, is there such equivalent in Python? Like just load a library and start choosing visually and easy? - tabulated-list-mode -- good reporting interface, is there Python or other language equivalent? I wish if it would be, I would like it so. Idea and implementation of it in Emacs is fantastic. - easy key binding configurations? - easy menu generation, any equivalents? - opening new GUI windows, closing, splitting? I would like to implement same programs in other languags but the above are major obstacles which demand programming from scratch. Features in Emacs on the other hand allow easy and rapid development. Helm or ivy or other completing packages for example help in creating easy invoice, receipts or supermarket management sotware. Find a product rapidly, add to list, print invoice, add to database. There is fat overhead in other languages without integrated GUI like Emacs editor. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/