From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 02:35:06 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87k0ngggkq.fsf@zoho.eu> <87h7ijg9ls.fsf@zoho.eu> <87v96zet60.fsf@zoho.eu> <87bl8resgb.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17157"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 31 01:38:43 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lnV0v-0003rm-Hu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 31 May 2021 01:38:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47154 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnV0t-0006c6-PL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 19:38:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53124) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnV03-0006bt-Hv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 19:37:43 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:52345) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnV01-0006pm-IT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 19:37:43 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.86.7.33]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000ADF02.0000000060B421C2.00007B5E; Sun, 30 May 2021 16:37:38 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87bl8resgb.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130377 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-05-31 02:05]: > Jean Louis wrote: > > >> People use Emacs in the corporate world like this? > > > > Text editors are widely used. What a question... have you > > not seen black console screens in companies in Sweden, even > > DOS is used in many modern places in the world because some > > software simply works well. > > Never, they have dedicated business systems for this... Watch better. Software in many companies is not necessarily upgraded just because world upgrades OS-es, when something works, it works. I have seen DOS programs still being used in large malls (under some Windows). > > It is difficult with other people's software. I have tried > > it, it is not reliable. Example is the SugarCRM before so > > many years, failures on upgrades would block the business. > > Today they dropped the free software version, imagine what > > disaster would that be if I would be still using it. > > Well then, tell them to use Emacs instead. That will organize > up the whole place in many the most unexpected ways :) You heavily underestimate the Emacs power. It can do so much more, faster and better than SugarCRM with so much better extensibility and so much less dark patterns. Formula for software sales: =========================== Make it appear complex, inaccessible, but solution for all; the more complex, the more the company becomes solution provider; bind people, get them into the vendor trap; the more company keeps people stupid, the more sales they will get; Formula for success: ==================== Learn any programming language, DIY or organize people to program it for you. This is the approach taken from early years of Apple, micro computers and PC on the market. Usually accountants and engineers were responsible to read the books about programming language, and to make programs. Programs were often made internally, in the company. When market offered more and more varieties of software, companies and teachers relaxed more and stopped programming. They forgot the formula for success. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/