From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 00:54:41 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87k0ngggkq.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5850"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 30 23:58:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lnTRj-0001Gp-Cq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 23:58:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43598 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnTRi-0004VA-Ev for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 17:58:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37156) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnTRG-0004Uz-7m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 17:57:42 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:38537) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnTRE-00020m-9h for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 17:57:41 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.86.7.33]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000AE2D6.0000000060B40A52.000072F1; Sun, 30 May 2021 14:57:37 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87k0ngggkq.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130351 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-05-30 23:01]: > Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > That is correct. Darwin and Fermi have done the same. > > But Stephen King is famous for saying that notes are the > > best way to immortalise bad ideas. Really good ideas stick > > around. > > Well, easy for him to say, maybe this method is for doing > something great but most lists like a TODO list [1] - that > software is a little bit shaky if anyone feels like reading > the short source and maybe see what it is? - what I was > saying, maybe it is not the best idea in the world but it can > still help you survive and get by another day, right? Things you really need to do, you will never write them down. Like lunch, go to work or similar. The top priorities are rarely written down, you simply do it. Procrastinated priorities are written down. That is where we come to note taking. A simple digital text file is enough to replace the good old Rolodex system. That is why GNU Hyperbole has "Rolo" system. I recommend to try it out. I don't use it, as I have the fully sophisticated system for addresses, call center, faxing, SMS, etc. > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/bike/TIRE > Very useful for science I'm sure but I don't see why just > they should get to do it :) > > [1] https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/todo-did.el That is nice simple system, add TODO, visit TODO file. What else one need? And yes, there is so much integration we do need, like: To assign task related to person Joe, to agent Jane; write instructions, quickly dispatch it; keep reminding yourself, and the agent about the task by SMS, email, or loud music; After a while, there are 10 agents, and tasks are not finished, one can observe who is who, who is performing, in what periods, who is more efficient; Imagine working with 30 people employed, they come in, come out, one has to clock-them all in and out without that ticket punching machine as in middle or 20th century. Workflow would be to just mark the list of employees except those who did not arrive, and clock them in all at once. Something to do is not necessary a completely defined action, as it is something unfinished, procrastinated, left for later to be done, but without full decision. Properly defined actions should have their starting time assigned. Then we go into procrastinations: - ah... now I failed to make it on 2021-05-31, then let us just make it 2021-06-02. Time stamp is changed and nothing happened. There is no trace that it ever changed. Then let me delay it more... Deadline? Ah let me just press shift left, and deadline is is shifted for few days more.... Then add the collaboration, and there will be 10² more of such procrastinations in a team. We managed thousands of people with paper based system and did not have procrastinations such as now people create with computer systems. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/