From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using unmaintained plugins Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 01:21:24 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32676"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.6 (2021-03-06) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Bithov Vinu Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 19 00:25:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lYFqt-0008KL-5m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 00:25:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41608 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYFqs-00040U-8s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 18:25:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYFqO-00040K-Pn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 18:24:44 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:51185) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYFqM-0005F2-Fr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 18:24:44 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.62]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000280C9.00000000607CB1A7.00007AA3; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 15:24:39 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Bithov Vinu , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: 29 X-Spam_score: 2.9 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:129053 Archived-At: * Bithov Vinu [2021-04-18 16:15]: > Hi, > > I recently began to use Emacs org-drill (see: > https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-drill.html) in Emacs which is an > unmaintained Emacs package for scheduling and reviewing flashcards > using a spaced > repetition algorithm. The page explains the classical condition of memorizing it versus understanding it. People who do not understand what they read will tend to memorize it as by repetition. By repetition one can memorize anything, for example parts of foreign language, then can repeat it, but will not be able to apply it practically neither as it was never understood in the first place. Those people who would learn let us say some phrases of foreign language by understanding each word and full sentences and by applying words in sentences and in real life, would never forget about it, and also would not need the feeling to memorize it. IMHO, the whole concept is upside down, I find it as a useless disadvise as it brings people into such a wrong direction of thinking -- which is to memorize things without understanding and without associations. Then associations instead of repetitions are used as a learning method, even then, a person need not have more than just one occurence of proper association, even for most stupidest things, to memorize the whole set even for life if necessary. No repetitions necessary. That is called mnemotechnic. It utilizes the power of association. We understand things by associations. This is similar to Emacs Lisp building of functions, as the majority of new function and variable is related to some previous functions and that is why program works. It relies on some previous foundation. Without association some people may say "to memorize it", but I find it an abuse of mind whereby mind is perfectly capable to understand things by association, forget about it and remember it at any time in future. Example is the word: The adj mnemonic has 1 sense (no senses from tagged texts) 1. mnemonic, mnemotechnic, mnemotechnical -- (of or relating to or involved the practice of aiding the memory; "mnemonic device") If person would not know the meaning of "memory" in the above definition, person would not have the association necessary to understand what would mnemonic mean. The association would be missing, and thus full understanding, because there is no association, when there is a real life need to use the word mnemonic, person would not be able to associate the memorized definition. To memorize would mean to remember without understanding. You can repeat that sentence many times you want, if you don't know the meaning of "memory" -- and you can repeat it, but you if you don't know the maning of memory, there is no way that you may really acquire the understanding versus memorizing. You have to know also more than meaning of "memory", learner would need to know meaning of adjective, sense, what means "relating" and all other words such as "aiding" and similar, so that full association in proper context may be understood. Even then, person rather should practice either in one's own mind or by talking that sentence. As for example, one can learn and understand the sentence in German: "Was kosten diese Kaiser brötchen?" but if one applies that sentence in real life in a bakery to ask for price of Emperor's buns, then that accomplishes realistically full association and helps person understand it probably forever. For those things which are harder to memorize such as birthdays, faces, phone numbers, various labels and similar, those things which are harder to associate to something, one uses mnemotechnics, such as on https://artofmemory.com/start/ or https://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-mnemonics.html yet even those mnemotechnics share the basic methods of associations. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ https://rms-support-letter.github.io/