From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why use CTL-x CTL-c to quit instead of CTL-x CTL-q? Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 00:00:37 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87mtube966.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14168"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.6 (2021-03-06) To: help-gnu-emacs , Hongyi Zhao Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 06 23:07:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lTsuj-0003bR-Pi for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 23:07:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38130 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTsui-0000dN-RU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 17:07:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39074) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTstH-0007qU-9J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 17:05:40 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:56535) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTstE-0001it-O9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 17:05:38 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.159.189]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001DF56.00000000606CCD1B.00005D73; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:05:30 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs , Hongyi Zhao Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128874 Archived-At: * Jean Louis [2021-04-06 23:58]: > * Philip Kaludercic [2021-04-06 18:16]: > > Skip Montanaro writes: > > > > > P.S. Do vi/vim users wonder why its key bindings don't correspond more > > > strongly to common Windows, Mac or Unix/Linux interface standards? I > > > rarely need to use vim, but if they changed the quit command (:q or > > > :q!) I'd be completely lost. How would I ever get back to the shell > > > prompt? Oh, right, C-z followed by kill(1). > > > > I don't think so, as vi(m) is culturally more about the keys than the > > software. People use vi(m) for vi(m), while many use Emacs for {org, magit, > > whatever} and find Emacs to be an obstacle. Or that is at least how I > > I expect on every system to have vi available just because Emacs is > not available. That is where trouble starts. Sometimes use to edit > remote files within M-x shell. Correction: Sometimes I use ed to edit remote files witin M-x shell especially when there are just few lines to be changed.