From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 14:51:37 +0300 Message-ID: References: <936DFE4B-B16D-45A2-A6C2-AF13C451BF39@bydasein.com> <87tup1dk63.fsf@gnus.org> <20210324085114.GC30513@tuxteam.de> <164F3FEC-FBD2-4BD7-A6C4-BD195DC54D50@gnu.org> <20210324111317.GG30513@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7900"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.6 (2021-03-06) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 24 12:54:31 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lP25m-0001vK-A0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:54:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43158 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP25l-0005Ep-Ay for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:54:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59146) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP259-0004pF-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:53:51 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:38129) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP257-0007K2-9O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:53:50 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.53]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E1C3.00000000605B2849.000053AE; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 04:53:44 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210324111317.GG30513@tuxteam.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266945 Archived-At: We better assume good faith of each participant here. When there is proposal to change something very fundamental to Emacs then such proposal should be well reasoned or justified. As changing anything fundamental in any subject of humans will cause disagreements even if such change is maybe beneficial for the group. When a group has made fundamental agreements between themselves, changing or proposing those agreements requires explanatory approach. When there is a borderline proposal, something close to fundamental agreements it will be either funny or sad. If proposal is too extreme and proposes changes of things very fundamental such as key binding for letter `e' to "Emacs" -- then this may appear funny, and so why not make some jokes there. It tells me that person perceivs those proposals for key binding changes as funny and adds up to that fun, but maybe not everybody shares the sentiments. Neither the proposal neither jokes are not bad faith, I don't perceive it so. Viewpoint of experienced older Emacs only users clash with view point of users of other editors who came to Emacs world and who share different view points, exchanging view points is good for improvement of this software and creation of new. Jean