From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 'M-o' ('facemap-keymap') has now been removed until March 10th 2021 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 16:25:08 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87a6sbg41o.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfatirk1.fsf@gnus.org> <878s6lumf0.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20476"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.6 (2021-03-06) Cc: emacs-devel To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 18 14:29:07 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lMsi3-00058v-4f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:29:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34384 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMsi2-0001CV-5M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:29:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42486) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMshA-0000m7-C4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:28:12 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37769) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMsh8-0002Ew-2J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:28:11 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.30]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000027F3A.0000000060535566.00002CFB; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 06:28:06 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <878s6lumf0.fsf@gnus.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266565 Archived-At: * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2021-03-18 07:17]: > So I think it was a moderately successful experiment, and we should use > this way of trying out user interface changes more. The time periods > seem OK to me -- one month for the experiment, and then one additional > week for discussion at the end (so I guess it's really more like five > weeks). For your kind considerations: You should not make it a strict rule just because the experiment worked well. It maybe worked well because not many developers use the enriched mode. You should rather make the experiment flexible and not bound to some period of time based on first experiment. Additionally, you cannot get and did not get a feedback from common users, you got it only from those using the development version. Use the feeling on how long the period of test should be, as some more common keybindings would cause more problems. And some keybindings you would never get reported back as developers may not be the users of those. Jean