From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Vim project helps in Uganda, Emacs shall be next Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:56:52 +0300 Message-ID: References: <877dn22b0k.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22255"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 21 07:57:46 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDigb-0005fy-0q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 07:57:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59438 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDiga-0008Lo-2x for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:57:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDigC-0008Jc-SD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:57:20 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:34735) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDigA-0001qk-W1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:57:20 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.154.232]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E1BF.0000000060320448.00001BFB; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 23:57:11 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877dn22b0k.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128173 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-02-21 09:33]: > Jean Louis wrote: > > > It really does not matter what are goals of Vim or GNU > > project > > The Emacs-Vim $EDITOR war... that was ages ago. I have no idea about the war, but where there are wars there are veterans. They never forget. ;-) For me it does not matter, I use sometimes nvi as vi, and Vim and Gvim sometimes, e3em as Emacs emulation, zile, zile-on-guile, nano, but mostly Emacs. I like Emacs in console as it is more consistent with `mutt' email reader, and I use Emacs in console also on my mobile devices. Today extensible editors like Vim and Emacs may emulate each other. Differences are in speed and bloat. viper-mode is interesting feature of Emacs but if I invoke M-x viper-mode in GUI, then it does not reflect same in console, it is not global mode how I see it. Sometimes "emacsclient -nw" blocks. I can use basic key bindings of vi editors in Emacs, and I think it is equally well as Emacs key bindings. Modal modes would allow much more key prefixes, that is also something to think about. Combination of key bindings also work well. It is often pleasure to use vi key bindings in Emacs. I wonder why no Spacemacs users are reporting to this mailing list. No conflicts between editors on my side.