From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:40:36 +0300 Message-ID: References: <7ef75c33936136eb3a20@heytings.org> <87czxazbhr.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <871rdqfaix.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87mtwd42ck.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2702"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Sean Whitton Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 10:43:52 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAUzP-0000b4-EU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 10:43:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41110 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAUzO-0002HT-Dt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 04:43:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56578) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAUyI-0001qp-Ew for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 04:42:42 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:36007) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAUyG-00051L-Cx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 04:42:42 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E089.0000000060264D8D.00004345; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:42:37 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Sean Whitton , Eric Abrahamsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87mtwd42ck.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264479 Archived-At: * Sean Whitton [2021-02-09 19:45]: > Hello, > > On Mon 08 Feb 2021 at 02:40PM -08, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > > > If C-x C-z is already `suspend-frame', do we really need C-z C-z, too? > > As has been mentioned, the thought is that a terminal user who doesn't > know much about Emacs will probably just hit it a second time if it > doesn't do what they expect. I use C-z in shell to stop the job and those jobs usually on my side impact performance of the computer or performance of the other job. Imagine the surprise when C-z does not work as expected, will the user make conclusion to press C-z again after 1 second or after 20 or 30 seconds, and will the data on computer be preserved until that conclusion arrives? I don't think so. Removing C-z on console is dangerous for data of computer users IMHO. Removing C-z on X has less impact on the computer users' data, but helps user to switch from one frame (iconified) to something else. Jean