From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Experimentally unbind M-o on the trunk Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:06 +0300 Message-ID: References: <8ed9b43502ae1480e06b@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2801"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: Gregory Heytings , Lars Ingebrigtsen , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 07:58:19 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lASPD-0000dx-11 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 07:58:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54268 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lASPC-0001lS-3g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 01:58:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54684) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lASOc-0001KK-Ga for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 01:57:42 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:54165) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lASOa-0000FG-G7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 01:57:42 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E07B.00000000602626E1.00002EE1; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 23:57:37 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Drew Adams , Gregory Heytings , Lars Ingebrigtsen , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264456 Archived-At: * Drew Adams [2021-02-11 09:18]: > > > > The M-o key is for face menu and it is better to > > > > rethink why is M-o globally set and why not only in the > > > > specific mode where those face menus make sense. > > > > > > Facemenu commands make sense in most modes (nearly all?). > > > > Did you mean they don't make sense? > > No, I meant they make sense - you can use them > to do what they do. Let us say I am answering emails, there is mail-mode down, using M-o to set bold face says font lock mode will override any faces you set in this buffer. I do not find use of M-o in majority of modes. There is use for centering of a line, but I can live without it. Additionally I get many many of errors below. Invalid face reference: mail-multiply-quoted-text-face [2 times] Invalid face reference: mail-double-quoted-text-face [8 times] Invalid face reference: mail-multiply-quoted-text-face [2 times] Invalid face reference: mail-double-quoted-text-face [9 times] Invalid face reference: mail-multiply-quoted-text-face [2 times] I wish to understand how is that useful that face settings do work in most of modes, but such cannot be saved in those same modes. Let us say in fundamental mode, I can set bold on text, but what is the point if I cannot save it as bold. Upon new opening of the file I do not see any more my formatting. How do you mean it that face settings are useful even if they cannot be saved? Maybe for real time presentations? Jean