From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Emacs 30.0 warning from `cl-pushnew' and `memql' Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 07:35:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: <878ritgaty.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7rprvia.fsf@web.de> <87zgb913fg.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ilhveo2s.fsf@web.de> <877cyafzit.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aSk2dCj6iJrTNN+1" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27659"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 30 07:35:35 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pB8zO-0006xk-GS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 07:35:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pB8z0-0000jq-3B; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 01:35:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pB8yx-0000jS-Bs for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 01:35:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pB8yv-0007Nv-K8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 01:35:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=MEe7Rt281MoIoiB3c45n38/HXmNiGNzmmqh+GGl0Nts=; b=Pe7kQxQRbuds1e4hdsNGPDL6/H ubmFKeGPLcMPxbxDmf8i5khAV163h1IVKjhVxOISjIaczK0LSqmMq548NwmZYmoQyS85gtrKMMmNH uuBL1YKGUF0hdUxAUBneRXr5igf7lalZclMQFcNd3DaxTmKnITzG0mH2xB4cbzIR13qN3wwFtccjo JwrSH4pxD/llP678CgGTrdl73nJSWWZQsu2OZ7AqQlFa5DmsboHTKjWGu2qXhz2nbSJ3T7Kmw9pWq oem7M66nmMpl+HzPfbc5ntgokzvcXFEt2zZ2ZhlyZfk6NaJ6w4ouClR+t84XbzbwmBwI7jAeo/Jnl sdCbojtQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pB8yt-0005O0-CB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 07:35:03 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877cyafzit.fsf@dataswamp.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142053 Archived-At: --aSk2dCj6iJrTNN+1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 08:19:06AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: >=20 > > Benchmark is a /function/, so its argument is evaluated > > first. By the Rule of Lisp [1], args are evaluated first... >=20 > Applicative order AKA strict evaluation: a function is > undefined if any of its arguments are. >=20 > So in practice, that means they are computed first. >=20 > And that makes sense! Since a function f(x, y) is very much > a function of x and y ... Lazy evaluation makes sense, too. It's just not how Emacs Lisp works. Cheers --=20 t --aSk2dCj6iJrTNN+1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCY66GlwAKCRAFyCz1etHa Rh0qAJ0U1E0Xb9dk5gYQjHDsDu0mreFQrgCfXzUC08QCYCIljadlgzG33agX7+s= =IJeG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aSk2dCj6iJrTNN+1--