From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Running emacs without any customisation Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:57:43 +0300 Message-ID: References: <871qrceb1r.fsf@yahoo.com> <82r0zbkegq.fsf@gmail.com> <82mt9zkbmz.fsf@gmail.com> <25417.8710.303226.241124@tux.local> <87a65y917w.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27189"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.7+37 (a90f69b) (2022-09-02) Cc: Po Lu , Dr Rainer Woitok , Christopher Dimech , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: uzibalqa Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 16 06:59:54 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ojvkg-0006uG-96 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:59:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32914 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojvkf-0001o9-4t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 00:59:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57634) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojvjx-0001ny-8s for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 00:59:09 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:42217) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojvjv-0002rZ-2z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 00:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.5.67]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000055D86.00000000634B8F76.00003948; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 21:58:29 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: uzibalqa , Po Lu , Dr Rainer Woitok , Christopher Dimech , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL=0.141, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139984 Archived-At: * uzibalqa [2022-10-14 15:38]: > Have not setup resources myself, just had my init file, which now in broken. > With the x-resources setup, I cannot see the text in the modeline. It may > be something emacs relies on when there is no init file. But think for a > moment the situation where the x-resources are not beneficial for the user > for a particular program. Because I cannot see from where the x resources > settings are coming from, I claimed those settings cannot be fully trusted > to produce a workable emacs session. Could emacs have a set of init files > users can use in cases where they encounter problems and the x resources > settings are not suitable for some particular emacs feature? If I remember well, I was using some fully free distributions endorsed by FSF and had some distributions had problems starting Emacs by default. Problem is that I do not remember which one exactly. I have used several of them. Maybe it was in Trisquel, maybe in Hyperbola. One time there was some Xresource default set by distribution maintainers, and other time it was some Mate or Gnome settings messing almost invisibly with user defaults. Starting Emacs was not possible unless I have written single line of settings. It may not be that X resources are disturbing you, remove them. And also see what is in /etc/X11/ if anything. It may be that Mate or Gnome settings are such. Questions: ---------- 1. Which desktop environment do you use? Try changing it, I use IceWM window manager for speed as I can't use slow and bloated Gnome, Mate, KDE, etc. So tell me about it first. Because the desktop environment alone may be putting settings that prevent Emacs from starting. I have multi user networked computer, so I had to put those settings for multiple users, not just me. But then I changed distribution and Emacs is starting well now in Parabola, but I don't use default anyway. Change to some simple window manager. 2. Start Emacs from command line and make screenshot. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/