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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: ypuntot <ypuntot@gmail.com>
Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>, Org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2023 00:38:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+LE2WIDpl8qceCp@protected.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <407d04a9-d959-457f-a4b5-873825938fce@gmail.com>

* ypuntot <ypuntot@gmail.com> [2023-02-05 16:03]:
> For the Poll, the Jeans proposal would be to introduce manually:
> [2024-02-04 12:00 @America/Vancouver]

I never recommend or recommended to anybody, ever, to make timestamps
manually. That is for computer to make it right.

For human, that is to use calendar. Calendar must use time zone
databases in background as to avoid placing invalid timestamps.

> And org to convert it into:
> [2024-02-04 12:00 @-08,America/Vancouver]

If we speak of future planning, general recommendation I have already
referenced is:

- to say date, time and time zone,

- while knowing one cannot know if time zone will exist in future

- while knowing UTC offset may be changed in future, for future
  timestamps for human meetings is not necessary and not absolutely
  possible to know UTC offset

- future time zone database could tell that time zone does not exist
  any more. It could maybe try to derive new time zone, but it is
  vague, as cities and countries could change.

- future time zone database can have the new updated UTC offset.

- if offset is placed in future timestamps, again the future time zone
  database should be consulted. Change of UTC offset would not
  humanely change the time of meeting. If time of meeting is 12
  o'clock, then it would remain same, no matter offset. But other
  participants would need to consult time zone database to understand
  the time of meeting.

- for past timestamps local time plus UTC offset is good choice.

p-- 
Jean

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-07 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-04 21:38 [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda) Ypo
2023-02-05  3:12 ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-05  9:31 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-05 10:44 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-05 12:12   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-05 13:01     ` ypuntot
2023-02-06 14:15       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 21:38       ` Jean Louis [this message]
2023-02-06 14:10     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 22:19       ` Jean Louis
2023-02-08 10:36         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-10  3:29           ` Jean Louis
2023-02-10 10:48             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-12  9:33               ` Jean Louis
2023-02-12 13:47                 ` tomas
2023-02-14  6:00                   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-14  9:41                     ` Heinz Tuechler
2023-02-14  9:45                       ` tomas
2023-02-14 11:42                         ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-14 15:59                           ` Jean Louis
2023-02-14 16:45                             ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-02-16 14:21                               ` Jean Louis
2023-02-14 16:57                             ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-14 10:45                       ` Jean Louis
2023-03-10 10:46                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-08 13:30                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-10  1:37                   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-11  4:44             ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-12 10:32               ` Jean Louis
2023-02-15 15:17                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-16 15:06                   ` Jean Louis
2023-03-10 10:51                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-15 14:42             ` Max Nikulin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-02-12 13:27 Ypo
2023-02-04 18:59 ypuntot
2023-02-04 19:45 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-05 17:04 ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-07 21:46   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-17  3:55 [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda Daryl Manning
2023-01-17  8:22 ` Tim Cross
2023-01-17  9:15   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-17  9:45     ` Tim Cross
2023-01-18  9:15       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-18 11:43         ` Tim Cross
2023-01-18 12:02           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-18 21:16             ` Tim Cross
2023-01-19  5:29               ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19  7:23                 ` Tim Cross
2023-01-19 14:32                   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 20:09                     ` Tim Cross
2023-01-19 23:02                       ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-01-19 23:51                         ` Tim Cross
2023-01-20  0:24                           ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-01-20  3:46                             ` Tim Cross
2023-01-20  6:14                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-01-27  6:06                                 ` Sterling Hooten
2023-01-27 11:09                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-30 11:25                                     ` Greg Minshall
2023-01-31 11:48                                       ` [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda) Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-31 12:19                                         ` Daryl Manning
2023-01-31 12:41                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                                             ` <CAL9aZksf8AGF=dXg0KAtLPyu1ATt1fLpvdsjN6GMCuK2KRQ56w@mail.gmail.com>
2023-01-31 13:33                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-31 13:22                                         ` Jean Louis
2023-01-31 13:46                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-31 19:59                                             ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 12:42                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 15:28                                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 16:30                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-31 20:12                                             ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01  5:46                                               ` tomas
2023-02-01  7:29                                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01  7:52                                                 ` Tim Cross
2023-02-01  8:32                                                   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01  8:46                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01  9:38                                                     ` Tim Cross
2023-02-01 10:15                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 14:53                                                         ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 16:36                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 10:46                                                       ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-01 14:43                                                       ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 16:45                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-02  3:05                                                           ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-02  8:59                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 14:38                                                     ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 16:50                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01  7:00                                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-02-01  7:41                                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-31 18:56                                         ` Greg Minshall
2023-02-01 12:48                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 12:52                                             ` tomas
2023-02-02  4:49                                               ` Greg Minshall
2023-01-31 20:41                                         ` Tim Cross
2023-01-31 23:50                                         ` Samuel Wales
2023-02-01 13:01                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-04 22:33                                             ` Samuel Wales
2023-02-04 22:49                                               ` Samuel Wales
2023-02-05 10:38                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 11:56                                         ` Christian Moe
2023-02-01 12:20                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 15:41                                             ` Jean Louis
2023-02-02  8:38                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-03 11:31                                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-04 10:58                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-04 19:32                                                     ` Jean Louis
2023-02-05  9:14                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-02  3:46                                         ` Timothy
2023-02-02  9:12                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-02  9:12                                             ` Timothy
2023-02-02  9:20                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-02  9:27                                                 ` Timothy

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