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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>
Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, incal@dataswamp.org
Subject: Re: Re- text formating
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2023 13:00:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+IhU63BoZoBha8I@protected.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <82d4febc-c8f9-06be-e2a8-c3967fb70a2e@posteo.de>

* Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de> [2023-02-05 20:22]:
> I, as an Emacs layman, would suggest:
> 
> If somebody see’s it as a task, can work on it, or can at least add
> thoughts, and together the fight of an uphill battle will be easier.
> 
> You, who are masters in Emacs
> and know everything/almost everything,
> 
> can create a major mode
> 
> e.g. to take the "enriched mode"
> give it an other name
> and add features, one after the other
> take away features which don't fit
> 
> and create a WYSIWYG mode/word processor.

Thanks, that is really good notion, and it is possible to get
something similar to word processor. It would require to synchronize
printed output to visible buffers.

Personally, word processor feature in Emacs I would use only for
simple letters or simple documents.

I already do that and it is pleasant to forget about markups, and only
use simple text, create letters, corporate resolutions, agreements and
contracts with simple text. And then I use rcd-paps.el library to
print it. As Unicode and smilies are solved in that library, all
printing is simply alright and perfect. No thinking.

In similar way, word processor features I would not use for complex
documents.

Well known word processor software are not suitable for document
preparation and typesetting like TeX, LaTeX and akin are. 

When you wish to make a presentation, or few letters document, it is
fine with word processor.

But what I can do in LaTeX is way more expressive.

> Would it not be the time to create also a "word-processor-mode" in
> Emacs, which doesn’t need to be like other word processors with all
> kinds of possibilities, but simply to have the basics of a word
> processor in Emacs,

Yes. And no.

> so you have all the advantages of Emacs and additionally for some
> people a mode, which has certain possibilities of text manipulation.

Yes, for some people.

And one also has to consider that majority of people using Emacs
already know how to produce beautiful, structured and professional
documents by using Emacs without using word processor.

Many are way beyond word processor, as word processor cannot satisfy
needs of that group of people.

My needs it doesn't satisfy. 

I also do not see why should I be wasting time with positioning of the
letter left or right, multiple spaces in word processor are not
logical, but with mistake my document will look weird.

With LaTeX or Asciidoctor, computer is the one taking care of it for
me. It minimizes human errors.

> That, as I said, are the thoughts of an Emacs layman, because I just
> started two month ago to get to know Emac, but am confronted with
> too little word-processing possibilities.

Feel free to tel me which specific function you need. Then I may
point to how to do it.

-- 
Jean

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-07 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-05 17:22 Re- text formating Gottfried
2023-02-06 12:56 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-02-07 10:00 ` Jean Louis [this message]
2023-02-07 10:57   ` Gottfried
2023-02-07 14:23     ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-02-07 23:14       ` Jean Louis

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