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From: "Paul Edwards" <kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to>
Subject: Re: simple editor required
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 06:15:19 GMT	[thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: 84of1c78ka.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de

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"Kai Großjohann" <kai.grossjohann@gmx.net> wrote in message news:84of1c78ka.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de...
> "Paul Edwards" <kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to> writes:
>
> > ... didn't stop this auto-file-association from happening?  I basically
> > don't want emacs to do any junk like that, I'm not interested in its
> > assumptions, I'm after basic editting functions, rather than by
> > default being launched into its weird ideas of what C code should
> > look like (which is probably a style used by less than 10% of
> > C programmers).
>
> Please try typing C-c . in a C file, then use tab completion to find
> the different alternatives.  Try them.  Maybe you find one which is
> close to what you like.  When you have it, it can be tweaked some
> more to get closer.
>
> It's not always possible to get the *exact* indentation you specify,
> but I find that syntax-driven indentation helps me so much with my
> work that I just adapt my coding style to the way Emacs likes it.
> For example, the indentation can tell me right away that a brace is
> missing or too many.

The thing is, the code that I am changing is not just one style,
I have to match the code that I am editting.  So I would rather
just have very basic editting working by default.  ie I don't
mind have to press space 4 times after typing a "{", but I do
mind having to type 20 spaces after a "{".

Officially I am expected to use vi "the standard editor", but
I don't know the commands for it, and I hate it.  Every place I
go to has had emacs installed, often unofficially, so I have
been able to use that, and get most of the commands I am
familiar with from micro-emacs.  But I can't complain to the
sysadmins etc that I need a new version, and I'm not meant to
be spending time mucking around with that either.

All I want is for the basic editting functions to work, at least
consistently within each emacs version, if not identical to
micro-emacs.  I'll worry about fancy features like C indentation
another day.  I have been given a few things to try to see if I can
get closer to that goal.

Particularly frustrating is when something like the "del" key
doesn't do what I expect (not just what I expect, but what other
versions of emacs do when the appropriate command is
given).  As I turn up to a new job, don't know how to use vi,
and it appears that I don't even know how to delete a character.
If I have micro-emacs (or emacs was consistent between
versions so my .emacs did the right thing), it wouldn't be a
problem.

BFN.  Paul.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-06  6:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.7200.1054643007.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-06-03 13:51 ` simple editor required Paul Edwards
2003-06-03 14:26   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-11  1:53     ` Ben Key
2003-06-11 15:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-06-03 15:06   ` Peter Lee
2003-06-03 15:39   ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-06-03 18:22   ` kgold
2003-06-03 20:13   ` Jon Kåre Hellan
2003-06-05 17:12   ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-06  6:15     ` Paul Edwards [this message]
2003-06-06 11:44       ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-06-06 18:00       ` Harry Putnam
     [not found]       ` <mailman.7492.1054922593.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-06-06 20:12         ` Peter Lee
2003-06-07  1:36           ` Harry Putnam
     [not found]           ` <mailman.7510.1054949869.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-06-07  2:44             ` Peter Lee
2003-06-09 20:54           ` David Masterson
2003-06-11 21:03           ` kgold
2003-06-11 22:11             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.7746.1055369497.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-06-12  0:28               ` Benjamin Rutt
2003-06-12  1:05                 ` Kin Cho
2003-06-12  4:05                   ` Benjamin Rutt
2003-06-12  7:11                     ` Kin Cho
2003-06-12 16:23                       ` Peter Lee
2003-06-12 19:37                       ` Benjamin Rutt
2003-06-12  4:55             ` Galen Boyer
2003-06-12  7:18               ` Kin Cho
2003-06-07  3:43         ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-07  9:28           ` Stein A. Stromme
     [not found]       ` <mailman.7449.1054900407.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-06-07  3:49         ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-07  9:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-06-08 10:19       ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found] <mailman.8100.1055869193.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-06-17 22:53 ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-17 22:56   ` David Kastrup
2003-06-17 23:04     ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-18  7:26   ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found] <mailman.7691.1055299124.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-06-11  2:57 ` Johan Bockgård
2003-06-11 14:49 ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] <mailman.7519.1054976930.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-06-07 10:19 ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-07 10:49   ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-06-07 11:19   ` lawrence mitchell
2003-06-07 12:35     ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-10 13:40     ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-10 14:19       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-11  9:23         ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-10 17:10       ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-11  9:18         ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-11 11:38           ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-11 14:47           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-12 10:55             ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-12 11:24               ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-12 12:51                 ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-12 13:35                   ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-16 10:31                     ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-16 10:47                       ` Sam Halliday
2003-06-17 13:57                         ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-17 16:31                           ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-16 13:14                       ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-16 13:48                       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-16 15:10                         ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-17 14:05                           ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-17 16:14                             ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-17 22:58                               ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-18  9:53                               ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-17 16:32                             ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-18  9:48                               ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-18 10:19                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-19 10:26                                   ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-19 15:38                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-20 10:13                                       ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-20 14:40                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-20 16:19                                           ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-20 18:08                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-23 10:45                                               ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-23 20:18                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                                                   ` <cNKJa.34$g_1.1140@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
     [not found]                                                     ` <848yrsgd4s.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de>
     [not found]                                                       ` <RPWJa.1093$g_1.9591@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
2003-06-24 15:25                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-24 22:26                                                           ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-24 23:05                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-25  7:51                                                               ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-25  6:17                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]                                                             ` <843chyfzpp.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de >
     [not found]                                                               ` <tscKa.709$9g2.6501@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
2003-06-25 16:48                                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-30  9:58                                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-20 20:52                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-23 10:46                                           ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-23 13:45                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-23 22:55                                               ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-24  7:16                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-17 16:33                             ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-18  9:49                               ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-17 16:58                             ` Kevin Dziulko
2003-06-19 16:03                             ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-17 13:59                         ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-17 16:06                           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-18  9:50                             ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-18 10:18                               ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-19 10:32                                 ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-19 19:32                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-20  9:58                                     ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-18 18:46                               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-12 16:03               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-07 15:06   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-07 16:33     ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-06-03 11:27 Dmitri.Minaev
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-06-03 10:46 Paul Edwards
2003-06-03 12:19 ` Kevin Dziulko
2003-06-03 15:12 ` Bruce Ingalls
2003-06-03 23:22   ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-04 12:57     ` Bruce Ingalls
2003-06-05 14:10       ` Paul Edwards
2003-06-05 17:08     ` Kai Großjohann

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