From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vasilij Schneidermann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Let's make Emacs mainstream (through org-mode) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:49:12 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87lfdyaevd.fsf@red-bean.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZWqIJw17+koH4JLN" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13510"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, dimech@gmx.com, James Lu , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 17 11:51:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpqsM-0003PP-2m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:51:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34730 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpqsL-0007vU-5S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 05:51:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36820) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpqqd-0006qy-34 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 05:49:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mout-p-102.mailbox.org ([2001:67c:2050::465:102]:50464) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpqqZ-0006XH-RF; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 05:49:25 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp2.mailbox.org (smtp2.mailbox.org [80.241.60.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-102.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CxTJY6F8lzQlY4; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:49:17 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Original-Received: from smtp2.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.241]) by spamfilter03.heinlein-hosting.de (spamfilter03.heinlein-hosting.de [80.241.56.117]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id IAp5aWls_YFm; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:49:14 +0100 (CET) Mail-Followup-To: Richard Stallman , James Lu , kfogel@red-bean.com, dimech@gmx.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Score: -3.06 / 15.00 / 15.00 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D7D6417AA X-Rspamd-UID: c6b038 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:67c:2050::465:102; envelope-from=mail@vasilij.de; helo=mout-p-102.mailbox.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261094 Archived-At: --ZWqIJw17+koH4JLN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline > Does anyone want to offer support for Emacs? Plenty people offer support on community-run platforms such as Reddit and Stackexchange. There's also the #emacs channel on Freenode to consider. I've considered doing the jump to something more binding before (like writing elisp at an hourly rate), but didn't find many people actually willing to pay for that. It seems to me that the challenge is Bringing people willing to offer support and people willing to pay together. > I have a feeling that a flat rate of 5 or 15 dollars a month would > be a difficult way to run such a business. There are several fund raising platforms (Patreon being the most well-known, but not the only one) that aim to incentivize a group of people to support creators for a small monthly fee (usually between 1 to 20 dollar), given enough of them, it is possible for the most popular creators to live off that. I support a few Emacs Lisp hackers that way and I expect more of them to get into such platforms. Another thing to consider is funding in general. There is this widespread misbelief that one can support the development of Emacs and Emacs packages by donating to the FSF. 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