From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: A survey for Emacs users Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 22:37:50 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87a6w23omr.fsf@iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24498"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) Cc: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list To: Corwin Brust Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 31 20:38:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kYwhz-0006IU-Nb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 20:38:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51384 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYwhy-0007xh-QU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:38:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYwhK-0007xJ-Ib for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:37:58 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:32911) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYwhI-00024E-Iy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:37:58 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.60]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3E.000000005F9DBD12.00004731; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 19:37:53 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/31 15:37:54 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:124835 Archived-At: * Corwin Brust [2020-10-31 21:10]: > I'm not involved with this survey either (other than having completed > it); however, FWIW: I think this person will probably continue their > efforts until something else services users who don't engage with the > mailing lists. That seems pretty reasonable to me, however small a > fraction of Emacs users that may be (or may eventually become) I > assume we should continue to be interested in why those remaining > don't raise their questions, etc., discuss here, on emacs-devel, etc. I think people simply don't know it despite the existing pointers to it. It is in the manual, but how many actually read the manual? Survey for example does not even make that question. That there is pointer in the manual, myself I did not know. I use manual in browsing mode myself. And discover always something new. I think that number of people discovering to be able to send bug report is about same number of people discovering mailing lists. Let's face it, it is 2020. People are more passive today in computing than 20 years ago. We get more and more Emacs users but that is due to number of devices being cheaper or more accessible. Users are many and interactions with communities out there are growing. But not that they are discoverable same as before. At some years number of websites go down. Maybe due to social media influences. Who knows. Reference: https://www.internetlivestats.com/total-number-of-websites/ Before 20 years it was quite common to find businesses having their own domains and emails, they were competing to get it. Today many businesses rely on free email providers. Personal websites exponentially disappearing from Internet, at least from search engines. Even definiton of Internet is slowly changing. I don't get less fascinated and occupied by time, it is never boring. Yet majority is doing something else. Population is guided by corporations. "Do what others are doing." is pretty much the motto. 53 Contributing to Emacs Development ************************************ Emacs is a collaborative project and we encourage contributions from anyone and everyone. There are many ways to contribute to Emacs: • find and report bugs; *Note Bugs::. • answer questions on the Emacs user mailing list . • write documentation, either on the wiki (https://www.emacswiki.org/), or in the Emacs source repository (*note Sending Patches::). • check if existing bug reports are fixed in newer versions of Emacs .