From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: A survey for Emacs users Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:35:09 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87a6w23omr.fsf@iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11931"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) Cc: Help GNU Emacs To: Skip Montanaro Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 31 13:37:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kYq8b-00031e-NK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 13:37:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33830 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYq8a-0003cT-Pb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 08:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39824) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYq84-0003aB-Mi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 08:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:50411) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYq82-0000xD-OP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 08:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.60]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3D.000000005F9D5A6F.00000BFF; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:37:03 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/31 08:37:04 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:124829 Archived-At: * Skip Montanaro [2020-10-31 14:54]: > > > > There is an open survey at the moment for Emacs users. It is not > > official Emacs developers' survey but the content is interesting and > > this mailing list a relevant audience. > > > > Thanks for posting this, Teemu. I find it interesting/odd that the survey > author didn't directly post the survey here or mention this group in his > list of places to post. Is this not where the cool kids hang out anymore? > (Maybe it never was?) It seems to be the closest thing to an Emacs users > mailing list. Has r/emacs supplanted it? Author did ask on Emacs Development mailing list for opinions. There are many people and people are individuals so there is freedom for everybody to make any survey or associate with different groups than the assumed group. There are many subsets of GNU/Linux users and free software users including many people not knowing they use free software. So it is. There area also newsgroups on Emacs: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsNewsgroups Back in time, it would be logical for me to first go to newsgroups. Today this may not be, people may go to Stack Exchange for Emacs or Reddit or similar. Times are changing and people's habits are shaped by corporations. One group of people discovers friendly help-gnu-emacs mailing list. Other group may discuss in full anonimity on various forums using bad language. Other groups will go stompedo against Emacs. Is the list discoverable? I do not think so. It is well hidden from Emacs users. Install the package Hyperbole and you may see how they implement that users find the mailing list, it is straight in the menu. If user needs help, one can click in the menu and write email. Great. And that is for package users. Emacs has a good system and background welcoming that people send bug reports including features, but it is not clear that bug report could be for features as well. It would be best to have under Help menu possibility to send emails straight to help-gnu-emacs mailing list, not only for bugs. Jean