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* Emacs as a word processor
@ 2020-12-22 18:22 Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
  2020-12-22 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. @ 2020-12-22 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Daniel Martín, Eli Zaretskii, Richard Stallman; +Cc: emacs-devel

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Daniel Martín:
>>> I've been trying for more than 10 years to urge people to work toward 
>>> giving Emacs the document capabilities of a word processor, but I have 
>>> not convinced people to do this work.
>>
>> What do you mean by this?  I'm probably biased, but I don't see what 
>> important "capability of a word processor" is lacking in Emacs.
>
> Something that works like LibreOffice, where you can write a document, 
> select parts of it, mark them in bold, justify them, etc.  All of that 
> while you see the results in a WYSIWYG fashion.  The closest thing there 
> is now is enriched-mode, but that mode does not offer the same level of 
> features as LibreOffice.
> 
> There is more context about this potential new feature in /etc/TODO 
> under the section "Emacs as a word processor".
>

Eli Zaretskii:
> The WYSIWYG part is missing.  See the etc/TODO entry about that for a 
> pointer to a discussion about this.
>

Yes, I know about that entry in etc/TODO, in which RMS expresses the same 
wish.  I've read the discussion again, and it's still not clear at all to 
me what features are really missing.  I'm not sure characterizing them 
under the acronym WYSIWYG or referring to LibreOffice is more precise.

My impression (but I could very well be wrong) is that what RMS would like 
to have is not a truly WYSIWYG word processor that would compete with 
LibreOffice, but something simpler.  And that a detailed list of features 
would make that TODO entry more concrete.  Hence my question.

An attempt to list features a user could expect from a word processor :

[ ] import / export Microsoft Word files
[ ] import / export Open Document Format (.odt) files
[ ] import / export RTF files
[ ] export to a PDF file
[ ] select a font and its size
[ ] apply a bold / italic / underline / strikethrough effect
[ ] superscripts / subscripts
[ ] apply a left / center / right / justified effect
[ ] change the font color and the background color
[ ] create a list
[ ] insert and change a table
[ ] insert a picture
[ ] define / use / modify styles
[ ] print preview / print
[ ] use footnotes
[ ] multiple columns
[ ] change page headers and footers

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* Re: Emacs as a word processor
@ 2020-12-24  6:18 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
  2020-12-24  6:24 ` Christopher Dimech
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 96+ messages in thread
From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez @ 2020-12-24  6:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

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No, please!!
I don't want to waist CPU cycles in making things look as I want. Mainly
because I trust LaTEX to do that. Even against colleagues. The only thing I
need when writing is a spellchecker (flyspell) and a nice snippet
combination for the more complex "quirks" in LaTEX (using yasnippet).
Everything else is distraction. I concur with people pointing out that ORG
makes a nice combination with LaTEX (I scarcely ever use Beamer directly
for lectures, org-mode is perfect for that).
In some sense, this is back to the origins, using venerable WordStar for
text-processing and programming. And yes, if you need some sense of
WYSIWYH2G
(H2G=hope to get) then use any of the programs mentioned in the thread

Best wishes for 2021,
My .02 cents
/PA
-- 
Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

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* Emacs as a word processor
@ 2021-02-01 17:00 James Lu
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 96+ messages in thread
From: James Lu @ 2021-02-01 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

WYSIWYG editors are popular among normal people. Emacs as word
processor will expand the reach of Emacs, and thus software freedom
too.

________________________________
From:Richard Stallman
Subject:Emacs as word processor
Date:Sun, 17 Nov 2013 02:28:51 -0500
________________________________

25 years ago I hoped we would extend Emacs to do WYSIWG word
processing.  That is why we added text properties and variable width
fonts.  However, more features are still needed to achieve this.

Could people please start working on the features that are needed?

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.



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2020-12-22 18:22 Emacs as a word processor Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
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2020-12-22 19:28   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 19:37     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-22 19:46       ` Stefan Monnier
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2020-12-22 20:07         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-12-22 20:43           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 20:56           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-24  5:49             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-24 20:57               ` chad
2020-12-25  4:37                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25  7:14                   ` Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files) Jean Louis
2020-12-25  8:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25  9:58                       ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 12:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25 13:11                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 13:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27 21:28                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  7:26                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-28 17:11                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-28 22:19                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-29  8:31                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-29 13:27                                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28 13:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-28 19:12                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 13:23                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-27  9:43                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 10:30                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-12-26 10:23                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:32                           ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-26 11:03                           ` Yuri Khan
2020-12-26 11:53                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26 12:19                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-27  5:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25 10:59                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 13:19                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-25 14:44                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 19:41                             ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-25 21:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-26 10:13                                 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-27 21:08                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 13:49                         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 15:02                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26  6:34                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-28 11:44                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-28 12:22                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28 12:37                                 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-28 16:25                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-29 10:10                                     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-28 13:37                             ` [pandoc] (was: Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files)) Uwe Brauer
2020-12-28 14:56                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-12-28 15:02                                 ` [pandoc] Uwe Brauer
2020-12-28 16:33                               ` [pandoc] (was: Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files)) Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28 17:07                                 ` [pandoc] Uwe Brauer
2020-12-28 18:11                                   ` [pandoc] Tomas Hlavaty
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2020-12-25 15:07                           ` Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files) Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26  6:35                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-27 21:14                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  1:39                                 ` Amin Bandali
2020-12-28 16:38                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26 10:23                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27  5:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 16:12                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-27  5:40                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-28 13:41                         ` Uwe Brauer
2020-12-23  4:53         ` Emacs as a word processor David Masterson
2020-12-23  5:26           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23  7:52             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-23  8:02         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-23  9:53           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-23  1:48 ` yarnton--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-23  2:29   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23  2:53   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-12-23  7:25     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-23 17:58       ` yarnton--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-23 18:06       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-24  3:09         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-25  4:31         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25  5:17           ` Ihor Radchenko
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2020-12-26 10:28             ` Richard Stallman
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2020-12-23 17:09     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-24  5:47     ` Richard Stallman
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