From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:31:46 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8434"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: Christopher Dimech , abrochard@gmx.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 22 07:35:07 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krbGE-0001z5-VW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 07:35:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48860 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krbGD-0001Db-U0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 01:35:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50468) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krbFf-0000g5-VE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 01:34:31 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:52809) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krbFd-0004eF-L7; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 01:34:31 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.37]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000011FE2.000000005FE19350.0000305F; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 23:33:52 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261470 Archived-At: * Richard Stallman [2020-12-22 08:22]: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > We could also motivate by offering small payments for solutions to > > unresolved problems. > > Yes, we could do that. It could be a useful practice. > And we would need to make a plan: a list of projects > (not very many of them, I'd think) that are of a reasonable size > and amounts to offer. > > Do you think people could be motivated by amounts under hundreds > of dollars? I tend to doubt it. I think yes. Not everybody is too busy and programmers live in various economical zones that smaller amounts not affordable in US could be quite affordable for one month of living in some other country. For example a waitress in Uganda would get monthly US $55 for salary which would be short as one would need to pay the room, and food at least. Majority of people live for less than US $100 per month. > > Most people I know don't know what to do or what problems are out there. > > Is this because we have not posted it in a clear enough way > or because we have not made people aware of what we do post? In my opinion both. It has been posted on GNU website what is needed in terms of critical software where GNU need help, but website is huge and when there is complex information it may not be quite clear. In terms of Emacs I do not know if GNU posted it anywhere but in etc/TODO. It would be good to make a list of items where Emacs need some help including if there are some paid initiatives. The free OS DragonflyBSD offers "Code Bounties" https://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/developer/Code_Bounties/ where some people may say which feature they would like to see in Emacs and some people program for the feature, so they could say US $100 within 6 months for the feature X to be programmed. We could use that as example and I have proposed it before few weeks. There is no guarantee offered that feature would be included even if programmed, developers decide it ultimately. We could then all "bid" on various features or program for bidders while improving free software. Jean