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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: Andrii Kolomoiets <andreyk.mad@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, enometh@meer.net,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Gregory Heytings <ghe@sdf.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers!
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:25:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <X/tGkyPVCMjBhDq0@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bcfff651-0dcb-ab35-abb7-7b7914538871@gmx.at>

Hello, Martin.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 18:49:03 +0100, martin rudalics wrote:
>  > Three frames F1, F2, F3:

>  > On F1, C-x C-f foo.el.  Move to F2: C-x C-f bar.el.  Move to F3 C-x C-f
>  > baz.el RET.

>  > baz.el is visited in F3.  The minibuffers remain in F3.  Move point to
>  >   *Minibuf-2* in F3, and type RET.  bar.el is visited in F2, BUT THE
>  > FOCUS REMAINS IN F3.  This is suboptimal.  If we visit a file in a
>  > frame, the focus should be on that frame, not somewhere else.  As an
>  > analogy, C-x 5 f foo.el visits foo.el on another (typically new) frame
>  > and MOVES THE FOCUS TO THAT FRAME.

> This "MOVES THE FOCUS TO THAT FRAME" is done by the WM.  Emacs doesn't
> care normally because it usually can't fight it anyway (you can try by
> setting the ‘no-focus-on-map’ frame parameter but it's no general cure).
> With practically all WMs, a new window always gets focus automatically.

>  > Why shouldn't that be done in the current scenario?

> Because we are talking about a frame (F2) that already exists in your
> scenario.

Sorry, that answer doesn't fit the question I though I was asking.

What I meant was that it is surely a good thing that after visiting a
file with C-x C-f, the focus ends up in the frame where the file's
buffer is.  Why does this cease to be a good thing if the frame already
exists?

Note other scenarios where the frame already exists, such as C-x 5 b
foo.el RET when foo.el is already displayed in another frame.  The focus
is moved to that other frame.  Whether that is done by Emacs or the WM
is immaterial, the focus MUST be moved, otherwise there'd be no point to
doing the C-x 5 b.

Similarly with a "deferred" C-x C-f, the focus must also be moved.
Surely?

I'll need to go back a bit to try and understand the arguments against
shifting the focus.  Right at the moment, I'm not seeing them.

> martin

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-10 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 259+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-13 19:02 Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers! Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-13 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 19:51   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-13 20:25     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-13 20:44       ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-13 21:02         ` Drew Adams
2020-10-14 14:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 16:02           ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-14 16:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 16:35               ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-14 17:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 18:45                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-14 18:58                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 19:49                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-15 13:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 18:01                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-15 18:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 15:19                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-21 16:49                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-21 19:13                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-21 18:32                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-21 19:38                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-21 20:04                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-22 16:14                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 20:42                                     ` C-x o is moving between frames. [Was: Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers!] Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-23 20:55                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-24  7:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-24 15:44                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-24 18:40                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-24 19:29                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-30 22:09                                     ` Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers! Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-31  7:25                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31 16:14                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-31 16:45                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31 19:44                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-31 20:00                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31 20:39                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-01 18:35                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 19:53                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-01 20:52                                                       ` Non-nested minibuffers (was: Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers!) Stefan Monnier
2020-11-02 17:19                                                       ` Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers! Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-02 18:51                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-02 19:19                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-03 21:08                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-04 16:47                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-04 17:39                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-09 15:09                                                                   ` Madhu
2020-11-09 20:34                                                                     ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10  3:25                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10  8:08                                                                         ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10  8:52                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 13:21                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-10 17:27                                                                               ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:26                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 22:43                                                                                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11 15:38                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 19:57                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-10 22:54                                                                                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 23:18                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-11  7:47                                                                                       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11 16:07                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 20:37                                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-14 13:36                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-14 17:12                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-14 18:48                                                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-14 19:11                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-14 19:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2020-11-14 21:37                                                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-15  8:48                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2020-11-19 10:40                                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-19 11:40                                                                                           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-19 13:30                                                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-20 18:47                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2020-11-20 21:00                                                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-20 21:36                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-21  9:02                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2020-11-21 10:27                                                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-21 11:55                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2020-11-21 12:45                                                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-21 15:53                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2020-11-22 10:59                                                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-22 15:13                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-22 17:11                                                                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-22 19:58                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-22 17:57                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2020-11-22 18:38                                                                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-23  9:10                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2020-11-23 13:36                                                                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-23 14:22                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2020-11-23 16:07                                                                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-23 18:08                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2020-11-23 20:16                                                                                                                         ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-24  8:46                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2020-11-23 20:22                                                                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-23 20:26                                                                                                                           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-24  8:47                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-24  8:46                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2020-11-24 10:25                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-24 11:37                                                                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-24 19:24                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-25  9:25                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2020-11-25 21:09                                                                                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-25 21:31                                                                                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-25 21:54                                                                                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-25 22:23                                                                                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 10:02                                                                                                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 10:36                                                                                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 10:47                                                                                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 11:20                                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 12:03                                                                                                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 11:14                                                                                                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 12:03                                                                                                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 15:42                                                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 15:54                                                                                                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 17:14                                                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 17:43                                                                                                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 18:08                                                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 20:02                                                                                                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 18:50                                                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-26 15:44                                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-26 20:32                                                                                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27  7:33                                                                                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27  9:34                                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 10:06                                                                                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 10:36                                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 10:43                                                                                                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 15:41                                                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 16:19                                                                                                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 17:14                                                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 18:01                                                                                                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 18:35                                                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 20:05                                                                                                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-28 10:45                                                                                                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-28 15:35                                                                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-28 17:02                                                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-28 20:59                                                                                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-28 21:10                                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-28 22:01                                                                                                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-28 22:10                                                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-28 22:38                                                                                                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-29 18:15                                                                                                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 10:13                                                                                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 10:36                                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 11:30                                                                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 12:29                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27 13:43                                                                                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 14:09                                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-27 15:03                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27 22:00                                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 15:42                                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-03 18:10                                                                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-03 18:24                                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-03 18:42                                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-03 20:08                                                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2021-01-03 20:43                                                                                                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-04  9:20                                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-05 18:07                                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-05 18:53                                                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2021-01-07 17:36                                                                                                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-07 18:08                                                                                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2021-01-07 18:26                                                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2021-01-10  0:53                                                                                                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-10  1:34                                                                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-10 16:03                                                                                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-10 16:04                                                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2021-01-10 17:18                                                                                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-10 17:30                                                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-10 17:49                                                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-10 18:25                                                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2021-01-10 19:05                                                                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2021-01-06  0:14                                                                                                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-06  0:48                                                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-06  9:40                                                                                                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-06 15:52                                                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-07  7:52                                                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 14:33                                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 13:27                                                                                                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-07 23:34                                                                                                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-26 15:43                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 11:53                                                                                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-24 12:59                                                                                                                               ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-24 19:24                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-21 17:19                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-21 18:08                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11  8:28                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 18:47                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 19:10                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2020-11-10 16:45                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-10 19:51                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-10 20:08                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 20:12                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-14 20:17                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-14 17:07                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-13 20:51       ` Andreas Schwab
2020-10-13 21:02         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-13 22:22         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-13 22:28   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-14 14:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 17:22       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-14 17:32         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-14 17:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15  1:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-14 17:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15  1:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-13 19:22 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
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2021-02-07 20:26     ` Alan Mackenzie
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2021-02-11 11:44         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-11 14:29           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12  9:48             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-13 18:23             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-13 19:39               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-13 20:24                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-13 20:52                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-14 18:26                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-14 18:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-14 20:32                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-13 20:53               ` jakanakaevangeli
2021-03-14 19:17                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-14 21:23                   ` Miha Rihtaršič
2021-03-17 19:32                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-17 19:55                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-17 20:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-18 11:27                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-18 11:46                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-18 15:51                               ` martin rudalics
2021-03-18 16:58                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-18 18:44                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-19 11:40                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-19 12:33                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-19 15:35                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-19 15:59                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-20 10:28                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-20 10:49                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-20 12:24                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-20 12:49                                                   ` Miha Rihtaršič
2021-03-20 13:59                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-21 10:30                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-21 10:38                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-21 10:40                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-21 14:49                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-21 15:00                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-21 15:43                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-21 16:17                                                             ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-03-21 16:37                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-20 12:50                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-20 13:51                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-20 13:55                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-20 14:01                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-20 14:12                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-21 15:44                       ` Miha Rihtaršič
2021-03-21 17:03                         ` Alan Mackenzie

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